HAMPSHIRE residents were today facing massive disruption to council services as thousands of workers started a two-day strike over pay.
Parents were having to arrange day care for their youngsters as schools were forced to close their doors while rubbish collections virtually ground to a halt in places.
Care services for children, the disabled and the elderly were also expected to be hard hit, with union chiefs predicting the walkout would close or severely hinder virtually all frontline council services.
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Up to 9,500 employees across the county are taking part in joint action by Unison and Unite, in protest at a below-inflation 2.45 per cent pay offer they say represents a cut in wages in real terms.
Union members include teaching assistants, carers, social workers, bin men, traffic wardens, dinner ladies and cleaners.
In Southampton, where around 3,200 council workers belong to the striking unions, the crematorium and register office are closed for 48 hours, while street cleaning and parks maintenance have also virtually stopped.
While most city schools were planning to open as usual, nearly 20 have been seriously affected by the strike.
Yesterday, the council confirmed several schools - mostly primaries, infants, juniors and those for youngsters with special needs - would be closed or partially shut during the strike.
Letters were sent to parents of all 17,000 city pupils at the end of last week advising that schools might be affected by the strike, and advising them to check with the individual schools to see if they would be staying open.
But with the official list only released yesterday afternoon, many will have been left with little time to arrange childcare.
Cllr Peter Baillie, Cabinet member for Education said teachers not taking part in the strike would not see the two-day walkout as a chance to avoid attending work.
"If teachers are not on strike they are expected to be in and it is up to the head teachers to decide whether there's enough teachers in to run the school," he said.
Meanwhile, across the county, borough and district council chiefs have been desperately trying to come up with contingency plans to ensure rubbish bins are emptied.
Negotiations between councils and unions continued late into the night in a bid to minimise disruption, with agreements in place to safeguard services used by the most vulnerable members of society.
City residents whose bins are usually emptied on Wednesdays or Thursdays are being told to put them out as usual.
But if they are not collected, householders are being advised to take them back in, as they will not be cleared until next week.
The council has warned residents not to leave extra bags out though, because they will not be cleared.
12:42pm Wednesday 16th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: Condor Man, Southampton on 6:32pm Tue 15 Jul 08
Totally unacceptable, why should children be penalised (and their parents to that matter) because a few lefties have forced SCC workers into striking.
I encourage everyone to go to the Civic tomorrow and barrack the likes of Mike Tucker of UNISON as a lot of people will get no pay increase this year.
Totally unacceptable, why should children be penalised (and their parents to that matter) because a few lefties have forced SCC workers into striking.
I encourage everyone to go to the Civic tomorrow and barrack the likes of Mike Tucker of UNISON as a lot of people will get no pay increase this year.
Posted by: Ian, bitterne park on 7:09pm Tue 15 Jul 08
I look forward to meeting you there tomorrow, Condor man.
What is unacceptable is the imposition of below inflation wage increases by Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling. You have suddenly become overnight a Brown supporter!! Well Tories have no principles so it is to be expected.
This action is being taken on the basis of a legally held ballot and a notification process brought in by your party, the Tory party in the 80s and 90s. If there was anything wrong with the ballot or anything untoward happening the employer would have challenged the action with an injunction. They didnt, so the democratic will of the workforce can take place.
Your statements that its the work of 'a few lefties' is paranoid rubbish.
[bold]Why dont you grow up!![/bold]
I look forward to meeting you there tomorrow, Condor man.
What is unacceptable is the imposition of below inflation wage increases by Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling. You have suddenly become overnight a Brown supporter!! Well Tories have no principles so it is to be expected.
This action is being taken on the basis of a legally held ballot and a notification process brought in by your party, the Tory party in the 80s and 90s. If there was anything wrong with the ballot or anything untoward happening the employer would have challenged the action with an injunction. They didnt, so the democratic will of the workforce can take place.
Your statements that its the work of 'a few lefties' is paranoid rubbish.
Why dont you grow up!! Posted by: Me too, soton on 7:14pm Tue 15 Jul 08
I thought unions were part of the history lesson at school, still as much as never minds - must have used a maths teacher to work out when to fit in the stike between, weekend,school holidays and teacher training days. Strike away - it will reduce the number of NuLab wasters at the coming showdown !
I thought unions were part of the history lesson at school, still as much as never minds - must have used a maths teacher to work out when to fit in the stike between, weekend,school holidays and teacher training days. Strike away - it will reduce the number of NuLab wasters at the coming showdown !
Posted by: Ian, bitterne park on 7:20pm Tue 15 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Me too[/bold] wrote:
I thought unions were part of the history lesson at school, still as much as never minds - must have used a maths teacher to work out when to fit in the stike between, weekend,school holidays and teacher training days. Strike away - it will reduce the number of NuLab wasters at the coming showdown ![/quote] I think Me too is against the strike, but im not sure. Tell me did you miss the basic grammar lessons at school?
I suppose thats New Labours fault as well.
Me too wrote:
I thought unions were part of the history lesson at school, still as much as never minds - must have used a maths teacher to work out when to fit in the stike between, weekend,school holidays and teacher training days. Strike away - it will reduce the number of NuLab wasters at the coming showdown !
I think Me too is against the strike, but im not sure. Tell me did you miss the basic grammar lessons at school?
I suppose thats New Labours fault as well.
Posted by: Condor Man, Southampton on 7:26pm Tue 15 Jul 08
Ian, if you're happy to give up 2 days pay then bigger fool you. You've not a hope in hell of getting a bigger pay increase, why should council workers be treated more favourably than those in the private sector? I certainly don't want my council tax to increase any higher than it is at the moment.
As for the ballot, was it not done within the rules hence why it's not being recognised by Capita?
Ian, if you're happy to give up 2 days pay then bigger fool you. You've not a hope in hell of getting a bigger pay increase, why should council workers be treated more favourably than those in the private sector? I certainly don't want my council tax to increase any higher than it is at the moment.
As for the ballot, was it not done within the rules hence why it's not being recognised by Capita?
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 7:30pm Tue 15 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote:
Totally unacceptable, why should children be penalised (and their parents to that matter) because a few lefties have forced SCC workers into striking.
I encourage everyone to go to the Civic tomorrow and barrack the likes of Mike Tucker of UNISON as a lot of people will get no pay increase this year.[/quote] You have workers on the minimum wage struggling to make ends meet and you have councilors raking in 20k plus on expenses, that's not even their income. So if you want to barrack anyone barrack them
Your ignorance knows no bounds, unison members were balloted, Mike Tucker, did not say, i decided we strike, his members decided it.
Condor Man wrote:
Totally unacceptable, why should children be penalised (and their parents to that matter) because a few lefties have forced SCC workers into striking.
I encourage everyone to go to the Civic tomorrow and barrack the likes of Mike Tucker of UNISON as a lot of people will get no pay increase this year.
You have workers on the minimum wage struggling to make ends meet and you have councilors raking in 20k plus on expenses, that's not even their income. So if you want to barrack anyone barrack them
Your ignorance knows no bounds, unison members were balloted, Mike Tucker, did not say, i decided we strike, his members decided it.
Posted by: Fred on 7:32pm Tue 15 Jul 08
Slow death of socialist strikers ping.
Hope their credit card bill doesn't get paid due to their loss of earnings next month. That will make them think twice in future.
Don't like the work then go elsewhere.
Fed up with the public sector striking - just about the only thing it can be relied upon to do.
Slow death of socialist strikers ping.
Hope their credit card bill doesn't get paid due to their loss of earnings next month. That will make them think twice in future.
Don't like the work then go elsewhere.
Fed up with the public sector striking - just about the only thing it can be relied upon to do.
Posted by: Ian, bitterne park on 7:48pm Tue 15 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote:
Ian, if you're happy to give up 2 days pay then bigger fool you. You've not a hope in hell of getting a bigger pay increase, why should council workers be treated more favourably than those in the private sector? I certainly don't want my council tax to increase any higher than it is at the moment. As for the ballot, was it not done within the rules hence why it's not being recognised by Capita?[/quote] Condor man. Im not on strike tomorrow.I dont work for the council. But I am going to support the rally in my own time.Is called showing solidarity!!
What do you mean by 'being treated more favourably'? They are organising through their union a protest against the deal.Private sector workers also have that right and frequently exercise it, for example the Shell Drivers.
If you follow the news today you will find that according to Unison there are millions banked away incouncil bank accounts which could be used to settle this dispute.
I dont know what point you are trying to make about Capita. They are a council contractor and I assume were not subject to the ballot. Thats a very pathetic way to score a point against my argument isnt it Condor Man.
Condor Man wrote:
Ian, if you're happy to give up 2 days pay then bigger fool you. You've not a hope in hell of getting a bigger pay increase, why should council workers be treated more favourably than those in the private sector? I certainly don't want my council tax to increase any higher than it is at the moment. As for the ballot, was it not done within the rules hence why it's not being recognised by Capita?
Condor man. Im not on strike tomorrow.I dont work for the council. But I am going to support the rally in my own time.Is called showing solidarity!!
What do you mean by 'being treated more favourably'? They are organising through their union a protest against the deal.Private sector workers also have that right and frequently exercise it, for example the Shell Drivers.
If you follow the news today you will find that according to Unison there are millions banked away incouncil bank accounts which could be used to settle this dispute.
I dont know what point you are trying to make about Capita. They are a council contractor and I assume were not subject to the ballot. Thats a very pathetic way to score a point against my argument isnt it Condor Man.
Posted by: Ian, bitterne park on 7:51pm Tue 15 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Fred[/bold] wrote:
Slow death of socialist strikers ping. Hope their credit card bill doesn't get paid due to their loss of earnings next month. That will make them think twice in future. Don't like the work then go elsewhere. Fed up with the public sector striking - just about the only thing it can be relied upon to do.[/quote] Fred.
I dont quite get what you mean by 'ping'.
why should they leave the job they like?
Its they pay offer they dont like and they are exercising their right to challenge it and try to improve it.
Fred wrote:
Slow death of socialist strikers ping. Hope their credit card bill doesn't get paid due to their loss of earnings next month. That will make them think twice in future. Don't like the work then go elsewhere. Fed up with the public sector striking - just about the only thing it can be relied upon to do.
Fred.
I dont quite get what you mean by 'ping'.
why should they leave the job they like?
Its they pay offer they dont like and they are exercising their right to challenge it and try to improve it.
Posted by: Realist, Soton on 7:53pm Tue 15 Jul 08
Public Sector, a drain on resources, produces nothing with the exception of beaurocracy. Perhaps the time will come when hard working people who have to pay ever increasing taxes will strike and demand better value for money. Time we asked ourselves if we need this bloated inefficient "public sector" !
Public Sector, a drain on resources, produces nothing with the exception of beaurocracy. Perhaps the time will come when hard working people who have to pay ever increasing taxes will strike and demand better value for money. Time we asked ourselves if we need this bloated inefficient "public sector" !
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 8:03pm Tue 15 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Realist[/bold] wrote:
Public Sector, a drain on resources, produces nothing with the exception of beaurocracy. Perhaps the time will come when hard working people who have to pay ever increasing taxes will strike and demand better value for money. Time we asked ourselves if we need this bloated inefficient "public sector" ![/quote] Dumb post of the year goes to Realist. Or should we say fantasist?
So getting your rubbish collected, schools cleaned and maintained and children fed in them, Social services, street cleaning, road maintenance, should be scrapped? Because you say its a drain on resources.
Like i said dumb post of the year award goes to you.
Realist wrote:
Public Sector, a drain on resources, produces nothing with the exception of beaurocracy. Perhaps the time will come when hard working people who have to pay ever increasing taxes will strike and demand better value for money. Time we asked ourselves if we need this bloated inefficient "public sector" !
Dumb post of the year goes to Realist. Or should we say fantasist?
So getting your rubbish collected, schools cleaned and maintained and children fed in them, Social services, street cleaning, road maintenance, should be scrapped? Because you say its a drain on resources.
Like i said dumb post of the year award goes to you.
Posted by: Fred on 8:12pm Tue 15 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Fred[/bold] wrote: Slow death of socialist strikers ping. Hope their credit card bill doesn't get paid due to their loss of earnings next month. That will make them think twice in future. Don't like the work then go elsewhere. Fed up with the public sector striking - just about the only thing it can be relied upon to do.[/quote] Fred. I dont quite get what you mean by 'ping'. why should they leave the job they like? Its they pay offer they dont like and they are exercising their right to challenge it and try to improve it.[/quote] ping = alert
Sorry old fashioned usenet phrase.
Ian wrote:
Fred wrote: Slow death of socialist strikers ping. Hope their credit card bill doesn't get paid due to their loss of earnings next month. That will make them think twice in future. Don't like the work then go elsewhere. Fed up with the public sector striking - just about the only thing it can be relied upon to do.
Fred. I dont quite get what you mean by 'ping'. why should they leave the job they like? Its they pay offer they dont like and they are exercising their right to challenge it and try to improve it.
ping = alert
Sorry old fashioned usenet phrase.
Posted by: Sheitma Pance, Soton on 9:23pm Tue 15 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Totally unacceptable, why should children be penalised (and their parents to that matter) because a few lefties have forced SCC workers into striking. I encourage everyone to go to the Civic tomorrow and barrack the likes of Mike Tucker of UNISON as a lot of people will get no pay increase this year.[/quote] You have workers on the minimum wage struggling to make ends meet and you have councilors raking in 20k plus on expenses, that's not even their income. So if you want to barrack anyone barrack them Your ignorance knows no bounds, unison members were balloted, Mike Tucker, did not say, i decided we strike, his members decided it. [/quote] Workers on the minimum wage? Piffle!
A friend of mine works for Soton Council, driving round in a pick-up, digging ditches, collecting fly-tipped rubbish, cutting up fallen trees etc. Spends most of his time in the cab eating sarnies, reading the paper and having a fag.
He gets £26K pa plus overtime on top.
Joe King wrote:
Condor Man wrote: Totally unacceptable, why should children be penalised (and their parents to that matter) because a few lefties have forced SCC workers into striking. I encourage everyone to go to the Civic tomorrow and barrack the likes of Mike Tucker of UNISON as a lot of people will get no pay increase this year.
You have workers on the minimum wage struggling to make ends meet and you have councilors raking in 20k plus on expenses, that's not even their income. So if you want to barrack anyone barrack them Your ignorance knows no bounds, unison members were balloted, Mike Tucker, did not say, i decided we strike, his members decided it.
Workers on the minimum wage? Piffle!
A friend of mine works for Soton Council, driving round in a pick-up, digging ditches, collecting fly-tipped rubbish, cutting up fallen trees etc. Spends most of his time in the cab eating sarnies, reading the paper and having a fag.
He gets £26K pa plus overtime on top.
Posted by: beryl, southampton on 9:34pm Tue 15 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote:
Totally unacceptable, why should children be penalised (and their parents to that matter) because a few lefties have forced SCC workers into striking. I encourage everyone to go to the Civic tomorrow and barrack the likes of Mike Tucker of UNISON as a lot of people will get no pay increase this year.[/quote] but i bet a lot of city workers are not earning a living wage
Condor Man wrote:
Totally unacceptable, why should children be penalised (and their parents to that matter) because a few lefties have forced SCC workers into striking. I encourage everyone to go to the Civic tomorrow and barrack the likes of Mike Tucker of UNISON as a lot of people will get no pay increase this year.
but i bet a lot of city workers are not earning a living wage
Posted by: SCC Employee, Southampton on 9:56pm Tue 15 Jul 08
I am a Southampton City Council employee and I am not striking and in my office very few are... normal services are being maintained.
I think nationally only 1/4 of council staff will be striking so don't think this strike will achieve much.
I am a Southampton City Council employee and I am not striking and in my office very few are... normal services are being maintained.
I think nationally only 1/4 of council staff will be striking so don't think this strike will achieve much.
Posted by: mandy, southampton on 10:01pm Tue 15 Jul 08
i work in a childrens nursery i have a level 2 qulification and get paid national minimum wage,
i work in a childrens nursery i have a level 2 qulification and get paid national minimum wage,
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 4:50am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Sheitma Pance[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Totally unacceptable, why should children be penalised (and their parents to that matter) because a few lefties have forced SCC workers into striking. I encourage everyone to go to the Civic tomorrow and barrack the likes of Mike Tucker of UNISON as a lot of people will get no pay increase this year.[/quote] You have workers on the minimum wage struggling to make ends meet and you have councilors raking in 20k plus on expenses, that's not even their income. So if you want to barrack anyone barrack them Your ignorance knows no bounds, unison members were balloted, Mike Tucker, did not say, i decided we strike, his members decided it. [/quote] Workers on the minimum wage? Piffle!
A friend of mine works for Soton Council, driving round in a pick-up, digging ditches, collecting fly-tipped rubbish, cutting up fallen trees etc. Spends most of his time in the cab eating sarnies, reading the paper and having a fag.
He gets £26K pa plus overtime on top. [/quote] 26k Doubt that very much. So do you think cleaners and dinner staff are on 26k too.
I might be awarding you dumb Post award next ;o)
Sheitma Pance wrote:
Joe King wrote:
Condor Man wrote: Totally unacceptable, why should children be penalised (and their parents to that matter) because a few lefties have forced SCC workers into striking. I encourage everyone to go to the Civic tomorrow and barrack the likes of Mike Tucker of UNISON as a lot of people will get no pay increase this year.
You have workers on the minimum wage struggling to make ends meet and you have councilors raking in 20k plus on expenses, that's not even their income. So if you want to barrack anyone barrack them Your ignorance knows no bounds, unison members were balloted, Mike Tucker, did not say, i decided we strike, his members decided it.
Workers on the minimum wage? Piffle!
A friend of mine works for Soton Council, driving round in a pick-up, digging ditches, collecting fly-tipped rubbish, cutting up fallen trees etc. Spends most of his time in the cab eating sarnies, reading the paper and having a fag.
He gets £26K pa plus overtime on top.
26k Doubt that very much. So do you think cleaners and dinner staff are on 26k too.
I might be awarding you dumb Post award next ;o)
Posted by: Me>myself and I, Southampton on 6:21am Wed 16 Jul 08
Better go and bring my cat in.....
Better go and bring my cat in.....
Posted by: Realist, soton on 6:35am Wed 16 Jul 08
Dumb post - coming from a cabbage that is rich ! Nowhere did I say that we should get rid of the services, my argument is that councils have become inefficient and bloated. Do try and read what is said before trotting out the old hard done by working class line, we are all working class, just that some of us actually have to work.
Dumb post - coming from a cabbage that is rich ! Nowhere did I say that we should get rid of the services, my argument is that councils have become inefficient and bloated. Do try and read what is said before trotting out the old hard done by working class line, we are all working class, just that some of us actually have to work.
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 7:15am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Realist[/bold] wrote:
Dumb post - coming from a cabbage that is rich ! Nowhere did I say that we should get rid of the services, my argument is that councils have become inefficient and bloated. Do try and read what is said before trotting out the old hard done by working class line, we are all working class, just that some of us actually have to work.[/quote] Did you not say
[bold]Public Sector, a drain on resources, produces nothing with the exception of beaurocracy[/bold]
You said it produces nothing. So you wont miss the services then will you? So how do you know i am rich then? Is this another dumb statement from you, i think so.
How do you know they are inefficient and bloated? Did you read it somewhere, i think not your just riding on a crest of a wave, on a myth your heard, from a time gone by. I think its called riding the bandwagon. Come back with facts, instead of making things up from your uneducated head.
Realist wrote:
Dumb post - coming from a cabbage that is rich ! Nowhere did I say that we should get rid of the services, my argument is that councils have become inefficient and bloated. Do try and read what is said before trotting out the old hard done by working class line, we are all working class, just that some of us actually have to work.
Did you not say
Public Sector, a drain on resources, produces nothing with the exception of beaurocracy
You said it produces nothing. So you wont miss the services then will you? So how do you know i am rich then? Is this another dumb statement from you, i think so.
How do you know they are inefficient and bloated? Did you read it somewhere, i think not your just riding on a crest of a wave, on a myth your heard, from a time gone by. I think its called riding the bandwagon. Come back with facts, instead of making things up from your uneducated head.
Posted by: Denzil, Chilworth on 8:06am Wed 16 Jul 08
Work shy slackers. Some people would give their right arm for some of those jobs. Sack them all and bring in the happy smiling Polish.
Work shy slackers. Some people would give their right arm for some of those jobs. Sack them all and bring in the happy smiling Polish.
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 8:17am Wed 16 Jul 08
You would think so Denzil. I know that one council can not get the staff and the polish don't even want to work there
You would think so Denzil. I know that one council can not get the staff and the polish don't even want to work there
Posted by: teacher, Soton on 8:19am Wed 16 Jul 08
The idea of a strike is to disrupt services to make the point that people do the jobs affected in the first place, and that if those jobs were not done, then a strike highlights the impact and effect of that! We also have a right in this country to strike if it is deemed necessary. I appreciate that people are affected, including myself and the pupils that I teach, but at the end of the day, if all things were fair,and all workers could have an honest days pay for an honest days work then surely a strike would not need to be considered!
The idea of a strike is to disrupt services to make the point that people do the jobs affected in the first place, and that if those jobs were not done, then a strike highlights the impact and effect of that! We also have a right in this country to strike if it is deemed necessary. I appreciate that people are affected, including myself and the pupils that I teach, but at the end of the day, if all things were fair,and all workers could have an honest days pay for an honest days work then surely a strike would not need to be considered!
Posted by: Freddy, Hampshire on 8:36am Wed 16 Jul 08
I work in local gov but I am working the next two days.
If Council workers are given a higher pay award, it will push inflation up and we'll be no better off anyway. Everyone has a responsibility to keep inflation down and that means taking sensible pay offers, I don't feel that 2.45% is unreasonable in the current climate.
Whilst the ballot was democratic in the literal sense of the word, only one third returned papers and only just over half of these voted Yes.
Good luck to those out on strike but I just cannot support it.
I work in local gov but I am working the next two days.
If Council workers are given a higher pay award, it will push inflation up and we'll be no better off anyway. Everyone has a responsibility to keep inflation down and that means taking sensible pay offers, I don't feel that 2.45% is unreasonable in the current climate.
Whilst the ballot was democratic in the literal sense of the word, only one third returned papers and only just over half of these voted Yes.
Good luck to those out on strike but I just cannot support it.
Posted by: Southampton Council Tax Payer, Southampton on 8:42am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Realist[/bold] wrote: Public Sector, a drain on resources, produces nothing with the exception of beaurocracy. Perhaps the time will come when hard working people who have to pay ever increasing taxes will strike and demand better value for money. Time we asked ourselves if we need this bloated inefficient "public sector" ![/quote] Dumb post of the year goes to Realist. Or should we say fantasist? So getting your rubbish collected, schools cleaned and maintained and children fed in them, Social services, street cleaning, road maintenance, should be scrapped? Because you say its a drain on resources. Like i said dumb post of the year award goes to you.[/quote] Obviously you have never driven on the roads in Southampton as we have very little in the way road of road maintainence. Perhaps we could learn from Portsmouth where they have outsourced services & have saved money (mostly from not having to pay vast amounts in pension payments).
Joe King wrote:
Realist wrote: Public Sector, a drain on resources, produces nothing with the exception of beaurocracy. Perhaps the time will come when hard working people who have to pay ever increasing taxes will strike and demand better value for money. Time we asked ourselves if we need this bloated inefficient "public sector" !
Dumb post of the year goes to Realist. Or should we say fantasist? So getting your rubbish collected, schools cleaned and maintained and children fed in them, Social services, street cleaning, road maintenance, should be scrapped? Because you say its a drain on resources. Like i said dumb post of the year award goes to you.
Obviously you have never driven on the roads in Southampton as we have very little in the way road of road maintainence. Perhaps we could learn from Portsmouth where they have outsourced services & have saved money (mostly from not having to pay vast amounts in pension payments).
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 8:51am Wed 16 Jul 08
Are you sure about the pension scheme? ;o)
So Portsmouth must have below average council tax costs, for its residence ?
http://www.findaprop
erty.com/councilfact
s.aspx?edid=00&saler
ent=0&areaid=0660
Thought not. Another myth blown out the window. Outsourcing does not mean cheaper council tax or better services at all, go ask Brighton residence.
Are you sure about the pension scheme? ;o)
So Portsmouth must have below average council tax costs, for its residence ?
http://www.findaprop
erty.com/councilfact
s.aspx?edid=00&saler
ent=0&areaid=0660
Thought not. Another myth blown out the window. Outsourcing does not mean cheaper council tax or better services at all, go ask Brighton residence.
Posted by: Jimmy, Soton on 8:53am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote:
Totally unacceptable, why should children be penalised (and their parents to that matter) because a few lefties have forced SCC workers into striking. I encourage everyone to go to the Civic tomorrow and barrack the likes of Mike Tucker of UNISON as a lot of people will get no pay increase this year.[/quote] I couldn't agree more.
My cost of living (basics such as food etc) has gone up by more than £100 per month yet my salary less than £500 this year in total- I am not striking!!! Get back to work!
With the onset of new HR law and employee rights, then role of the union is dead- Notice how the people who strike these days are mostly people part of a union, not normal hard working members of society.
Condor Man wrote:
Totally unacceptable, why should children be penalised (and their parents to that matter) because a few lefties have forced SCC workers into striking. I encourage everyone to go to the Civic tomorrow and barrack the likes of Mike Tucker of UNISON as a lot of people will get no pay increase this year.
I couldn't agree more.
My cost of living (basics such as food etc) has gone up by more than £100 per month yet my salary less than £500 this year in total- I am not striking!!! Get back to work!
With the onset of new HR law and employee rights, then role of the union is dead- Notice how the people who strike these days are mostly people part of a union, not normal hard working members of society.
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 8:59am Wed 16 Jul 08
If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation.
My god some of you have no clue what your talking about
If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation.
My god some of you have no clue what your talking about
Posted by: Jimmy, 021-609 on 9:01am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation. My god some of you have no clue what your talking about[/quote] we all have an axe to grind about the current economic climate- do they not realise that if they get more, inflation goes up, back to square one-Clearly you have no clue
Basic economics- try understanding, maybe study the facts and case?
Joe King wrote:
If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation. My god some of you have no clue what your talking about
we all have an axe to grind about the current economic climate- do they not realise that if they get more, inflation goes up, back to square one-Clearly you have no clue
Basic economics- try understanding, maybe study the facts and case?
Posted by: Nod, Lordshill on 9:02am Wed 16 Jul 08
If you don't like what you're being paid, go and find a new job...
If you don't like what you're being paid, go and find a new job...
Posted by: Southampton Council Tax Payer, Southampton on 9:02am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
Are you sure about the pension scheme? ;o) So Portsmouth must have below average council tax costs, for its residence ? http://www.findaprop erty.com/councilfact s.aspx?edid=00&saler ent=0&areaid=0660 Thought not. Another myth blown out the window. Outsourcing does not mean cheaper council tax or better services at all, go ask Brighton residence.[/quote] I noticed you did not comment on the state of the roads & their lack of maintainence or that Portsmouth has a better level of service in that area. Southampton does not have a maintained infrastructure & deserves value for money.
Joe King wrote:
Are you sure about the pension scheme? ;o) So Portsmouth must have below average council tax costs, for its residence ? http://www.findaprop erty.com/councilfact s.aspx?edid=00&saler ent=0&areaid=0660 Thought not. Another myth blown out the window. Outsourcing does not mean cheaper council tax or better services at all, go ask Brighton residence.
I noticed you did not comment on the state of the roads & their lack of maintainence or that Portsmouth has a better level of service in that area. Southampton does not have a maintained infrastructure & deserves value for money.
Posted by: Jimmy, soton on 9:03am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote:
If you don't like what you're being paid, go and find a new job...[/quote] Absolutely!
Nod wrote:
If you don't like what you're being paid, go and find a new job...
Absolutely!
Posted by: Red Ken, Working on 9:05am Wed 16 Jul 08
The people working for the council are lucky - where I work (another public sector organisation) we are only going to get 1.9% yet inflation is now at 3.8% - hardly fair. All we want is a pay rise each year that keeps up with the cost of living in real terms. I don't blame them for going on strike.
The people working for the council are lucky - where I work (another public sector organisation) we are only going to get 1.9% yet inflation is now at 3.8% - hardly fair. All we want is a pay rise each year that keeps up with the cost of living in real terms. I don't blame them for going on strike.
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 9:10am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jimmy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation. My god some of you have no clue what your talking about[/quote] we all have an axe to grind about the current economic climate- do they not realise that if they get more, inflation goes up, back to square one-Clearly you have no clue
Basic economics- try understanding, maybe study the facts and case?[/quote] Basic economics will tell you, that lower the wage in the time of recession, means less spending in the high street, less jobs for service and manufacturing.
Economics is more complicated, than your basic facts
Jimmy wrote:
Joe King wrote:
If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation. My god some of you have no clue what your talking about
we all have an axe to grind about the current economic climate- do they not realise that if they get more, inflation goes up, back to square one-Clearly you have no clue
Basic economics- try understanding, maybe study the facts and case?
Basic economics will tell you, that lower the wage in the time of recession, means less spending in the high street, less jobs for service and manufacturing.
Economics is more complicated, than your basic facts
Posted by: A pupil on 9:11am Wed 16 Jul 08
Will the campaign dogs SAM from School Attendance Matters & ODO from Odd Days Off be on strike today??
After they lectured us about how important EVERY lesson is and how NONE should be missed?
My friends parents were fined for taking my mate out of school, can we fine the strikers??
Will the campaign dogs SAM from School Attendance Matters & ODO from Odd Days Off be on strike today??
After they lectured us about how important EVERY lesson is and how NONE should be missed?
My friends parents were fined for taking my mate out of school, can we fine the strikers??
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 9:13am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Southampton Council Tax Payer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
Are you sure about the pension scheme? ;o) So Portsmouth must have below average council tax costs, for its residence ? http://www.findaprop erty.com/councilfact s.aspx?edid=00&saler ent=0&areaid=0660 Thought not. Another myth blown out the window. Outsourcing does not mean cheaper council tax or better services at all, go ask Brighton residence.[/quote] I noticed you did not comment on the state of the roads & their lack of maintainence or that Portsmouth has a better level of service in that area. Southampton does not have a maintained infrastructure & deserves value for money.[/quote] Go talk to your counselor about that, hardly a minion workers fault or responsibility
Southampton Council Tax Payer wrote:
Joe King wrote:
Are you sure about the pension scheme? ;o) So Portsmouth must have below average council tax costs, for its residence ? http://www.findaprop erty.com/councilfact s.aspx?edid=00&saler ent=0&areaid=0660 Thought not. Another myth blown out the window. Outsourcing does not mean cheaper council tax or better services at all, go ask Brighton residence.
I noticed you did not comment on the state of the roads & their lack of maintainence or that Portsmouth has a better level of service in that area. Southampton does not have a maintained infrastructure & deserves value for money.
Go talk to your counselor about that, hardly a minion workers fault or responsibility
Posted by: Jimmy, Soton on 9:13am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jimmy[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote: If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation. My god some of you have no clue what your talking about[/quote] we all have an axe to grind about the current economic climate- do they not realise that if they get more, inflation goes up, back to square one-Clearly you have no clue Basic economics- try understanding, maybe study the facts and case?[/quote] Basic economics will tell you, that lower the wage in the time of recession, means less spending in the high street, less jobs for service and manufacturing. Economics is more complicated, than your basic facts[/quote] Ok Joe- I will remember that today as I return to running my accountancy, tax and receivership business, sat under my qualifications for accountacy, employment law and also my dissrtation on the UK economy! Have a good day
Joe King wrote:
Jimmy wrote: Joe King wrote: If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation. My god some of you have no clue what your talking about
we all have an axe to grind about the current economic climate- do they not realise that if they get more, inflation goes up, back to square one-Clearly you have no clue Basic economics- try understanding, maybe study the facts and case?
Basic economics will tell you, that lower the wage in the time of recession, means less spending in the high street, less jobs for service and manufacturing. Economics is more complicated, than your basic facts
Ok Joe- I will remember that today as I return to running my accountancy, tax and receivership business, sat under my qualifications for accountacy, employment law and also my dissrtation on the UK economy! Have a good day
Posted by: Jimmy, Soton on 9:14am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jimmy[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote: If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation. My god some of you have no clue what your talking about[/quote] we all have an axe to grind about the current economic climate- do they not realise that if they get more, inflation goes up, back to square one-Clearly you have no clue Basic economics- try understanding, maybe study the facts and case?[/quote] Basic economics will tell you, that lower the wage in the time of recession, means less spending in the high street, less jobs for service and manufacturing. Economics is more complicated, than your basic facts[/quote] PS-They don't spend less, they borrow more.
Joe King wrote:
Jimmy wrote: Joe King wrote: If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation. My god some of you have no clue what your talking about
we all have an axe to grind about the current economic climate- do they not realise that if they get more, inflation goes up, back to square one-Clearly you have no clue Basic economics- try understanding, maybe study the facts and case?
Basic economics will tell you, that lower the wage in the time of recession, means less spending in the high street, less jobs for service and manufacturing. Economics is more complicated, than your basic facts
PS-They don't spend less, they borrow more.
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 9:18am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote:
If you don't like what you're being paid, go and find a new job...[/quote] Maybe at the time the wage was fair and now they feel its not. Maybe they like the work and the time/hours suit.
You saying don't fight for better conditions, if they detereorate, roll over and give in or leave.
You might be that weak minded, but at least some stick up for themselves.
Nod wrote:
If you don't like what you're being paid, go and find a new job...
Maybe at the time the wage was fair and now they feel its not. Maybe they like the work and the time/hours suit.
You saying don't fight for better conditions, if they detereorate, roll over and give in or leave.
You might be that weak minded, but at least some stick up for themselves.
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 9:21am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jimmy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jimmy[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote: If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation. My god some of you have no clue what your talking about[/quote] we all have an axe to grind about the current economic climate- do they not realise that if they get more, inflation goes up, back to square one-Clearly you have no clue Basic economics- try understanding, maybe study the facts and case?[/quote] Basic economics will tell you, that lower the wage in the time of recession, means less spending in the high street, less jobs for service and manufacturing. Economics is more complicated, than your basic facts[/quote] PS-They don't spend less, they borrow more.[/quote] Not now they don't, now that the banks have come unstuck, with their slap dash attitude to lending.
So you can speak for everyone out there and say people don't tighten their belts and watch their money. They just borrow and go out spending on luxuries with out a care in the world.
Oh, PS back at ya ;o)
Jimmy wrote:
Joe King wrote:
Jimmy wrote: Joe King wrote: If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation. My god some of you have no clue what your talking about
we all have an axe to grind about the current economic climate- do they not realise that if they get more, inflation goes up, back to square one-Clearly you have no clue Basic economics- try understanding, maybe study the facts and case?
Basic economics will tell you, that lower the wage in the time of recession, means less spending in the high street, less jobs for service and manufacturing. Economics is more complicated, than your basic facts
PS-They don't spend less, they borrow more.
Not now they don't, now that the banks have come unstuck, with their slap dash attitude to lending.
So you can speak for everyone out there and say people don't tighten their belts and watch their money. They just borrow and go out spending on luxuries with out a care in the world.
Oh, PS back at ya ;o)
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 9:23am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jimmy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jimmy[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote: If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation. My god some of you have no clue what your talking about[/quote] we all have an axe to grind about the current economic climate- do they not realise that if they get more, inflation goes up, back to square one-Clearly you have no clue Basic economics- try understanding, maybe study the facts and case?[/quote] Basic economics will tell you, that lower the wage in the time of recession, means less spending in the high street, less jobs for service and manufacturing. Economics is more complicated, than your basic facts[/quote] Ok Joe- I will remember that today as I return to running my accountancy, tax and receivership business, sat under my qualifications for accountacy, employment law and also my dissrtation on the UK economy! Have a good day[/quote] So you been an accountant, never makes you wrong.
I must remember to never ask for your services if i ever require an accountant.
Jimmy wrote:
Joe King wrote:
Jimmy wrote: Joe King wrote: If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation. My god some of you have no clue what your talking about
we all have an axe to grind about the current economic climate- do they not realise that if they get more, inflation goes up, back to square one-Clearly you have no clue Basic economics- try understanding, maybe study the facts and case?
Basic economics will tell you, that lower the wage in the time of recession, means less spending in the high street, less jobs for service and manufacturing. Economics is more complicated, than your basic facts
Ok Joe- I will remember that today as I return to running my accountancy, tax and receivership business, sat under my qualifications for accountacy, employment law and also my dissrtation on the UK economy! Have a good day
So you been an accountant, never makes you wrong.
I must remember to never ask for your services if i ever require an accountant.
Posted by: Fed up Council Tax Payer, Southampton on 9:23am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Ian, if you're happy to give up 2 days pay then bigger fool you. You've not a hope in hell of getting a bigger pay increase, why should council workers be treated more favourably than those in the private sector? I certainly don't want my council tax to increase any higher than it is at the moment. As for the ballot, was it not done within the rules hence why it's not being recognised by Capita?[/quote] Condor man. Im not on strike tomorrow.I dont work for the council. But I am going to support the rally in my own time.Is called showing solidarity!! What do you mean by 'being treated more favourably'? They are organising through their union a protest against the deal.Private sector workers also have that right and frequently exercise it, for example the Shell Drivers. If you follow the news today you will find that according to Unison there are millions banked away incouncil bank accounts which could be used to settle this dispute. I dont know what point you are trying to make about Capita. They are a council contractor and I assume were not subject to the ballot. Thats a very pathetic way to score a point against my argument isnt it Condor Man.[/quote] If there really is millions tucked away I'd rather my tax was reduced than pay some of the workshy council employees with lovely pensions.
Ian wrote:
Condor Man wrote: Ian, if you're happy to give up 2 days pay then bigger fool you. You've not a hope in hell of getting a bigger pay increase, why should council workers be treated more favourably than those in the private sector? I certainly don't want my council tax to increase any higher than it is at the moment. As for the ballot, was it not done within the rules hence why it's not being recognised by Capita?
Condor man. Im not on strike tomorrow.I dont work for the council. But I am going to support the rally in my own time.Is called showing solidarity!! What do you mean by 'being treated more favourably'? They are organising through their union a protest against the deal.Private sector workers also have that right and frequently exercise it, for example the Shell Drivers. If you follow the news today you will find that according to Unison there are millions banked away incouncil bank accounts which could be used to settle this dispute. I dont know what point you are trying to make about Capita. They are a council contractor and I assume were not subject to the ballot. Thats a very pathetic way to score a point against my argument isnt it Condor Man.
If there really is millions tucked away I'd rather my tax was reduced than pay some of the workshy council employees with lovely pensions.
Posted by: Jimmy, Soton on 9:26am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jimmy[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Jimmy[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote: If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation. My god some of you have no clue what your talking about[/quote] we all have an axe to grind about the current economic climate- do they not realise that if they get more, inflation goes up, back to square one-Clearly you have no clue Basic economics- try understanding, maybe study the facts and case?[/quote] Basic economics will tell you, that lower the wage in the time of recession, means less spending in the high street, less jobs for service and manufacturing. Economics is more complicated, than your basic facts[/quote] Ok Joe- I will remember that today as I return to running my accountancy, tax and receivership business, sat under my qualifications for accountacy, employment law and also my dissrtation on the UK economy! Have a good day[/quote] So you been an accountant, never makes you wrong. I must remember to never ask for your services if i ever require an accountant. [/quote] you couldn't even afford me!!! I think the fumes from the incinerator has done you noggin in sunshine!!!
Joe King wrote:
Jimmy wrote: Joe King wrote: Jimmy wrote: Joe King wrote: If the role of the union is dead, how come six hundred thousand union members feel that strongly they need to strike. With out a union you have diminished rights and legal representation. My god some of you have no clue what your talking about
we all have an axe to grind about the current economic climate- do they not realise that if they get more, inflation goes up, back to square one-Clearly you have no clue Basic economics- try understanding, maybe study the facts and case?
Basic economics will tell you, that lower the wage in the time of recession, means less spending in the high street, less jobs for service and manufacturing. Economics is more complicated, than your basic facts
Ok Joe- I will remember that today as I return to running my accountancy, tax and receivership business, sat under my qualifications for accountacy, employment law and also my dissrtation on the UK economy! Have a good day
So you been an accountant, never makes you wrong. I must remember to never ask for your services if i ever require an accountant.
you couldn't even afford me!!! I think the fumes from the incinerator has done you noggin in sunshine!!!
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 9:35am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Tax payer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Ian, if you\\\'re happy to give up 2 days pay then bigger fool you. You\\\'ve not a hope in hell of getting a bigger pay increase, why should council workers be treated more favourably than those in the private sector? I certainly don\\\'t want my council tax to increase any higher than it is at the moment. As for the ballot, was it not done within the rules hence why it\\\'s not being recognised by Capita?[/quote] Condor man. Im not on strike tomorrow.I dont work for the council. But I am going to support the rally in my own time.Is called showing solidarity!! What do you mean by \\\'being treated more favourably\\\'? They are organising through their union a protest against the deal.Private sector workers also have that right and frequently exercise it, for example the Shell Drivers. If you follow the news today you will find that according to Unison there are millions banked away incouncil bank accounts which could be used to settle this dispute. I dont know what point you are trying to make about Capita. They are a council contractor and I assume were not subject to the ballot. Thats a very pathetic way to score a point against my argument isnt it Condor Man.[/quote] If there really is millions tucked away I'd rather my tax was reduced than pay some of the workshy council employees with lovely pensions.[/quote] Then don't expect people to clean your streets, pick your rubbish then. Dint Amazes me how people want their services but expect people to do it for peanuts, because it comes from the council tax.
HGV drivers are getting harder to find, you think anyone will apply for a job if you pay them peanuts. Your mentality is i pay for it so i want slave labour.
Maybe top end managers on 70 to 100k and councilors raking in 20k plus on expenses, is a good place to start, in getting your council tax down. Not the guy on £200 a week.
Tax payer wrote:
Ian wrote:
Condor Man wrote: Ian, if you're happy to give up 2 days pay then bigger fool you. You've not a hope in hell of getting a bigger pay increase, why should council workers be treated more favourably than those in the private sector? I certainly don't want my council tax to increase any higher than it is at the moment. As for the ballot, was it not done within the rules hence why it's not being recognised by Capita?
Condor man. Im not on strike tomorrow.I dont work for the council. But I am going to support the rally in my own time.Is called showing solidarity!! What do you mean by 'being treated more favourably'? They are organising through their union a protest against the deal.Private sector workers also have that right and frequently exercise it, for example the Shell Drivers. If you follow the news today you will find that according to Unison there are millions banked away incouncil bank accounts which could be used to settle this dispute. I dont know what point you are trying to make about Capita. They are a council contractor and I assume were not subject to the ballot. Thats a very pathetic way to score a point against my argument isnt it Condor Man.
If there really is millions tucked away I'd rather my tax was reduced than pay some of the workshy council employees with lovely pensions.
Then don't expect people to clean your streets, pick your rubbish then. Dint Amazes me how people want their services but expect people to do it for peanuts, because it comes from the council tax.
HGV drivers are getting harder to find, you think anyone will apply for a job if you pay them peanuts. Your mentality is i pay for it so i want slave labour.
Maybe top end managers on 70 to 100k and councilors raking in 20k plus on expenses, is a good place to start, in getting your council tax down. Not the guy on £200 a week.
Posted by: Lou on 9:40am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote:
If you don't like what you're being paid, go and find a new job...[/quote] Well Said!!!
Nod wrote:
If you don't like what you're being paid, go and find a new job...
Well Said!!!
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 9:41am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Lou[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote:
If you don't like what you're being paid, go and find a new job...[/quote] Well Said!!!
[/quote] Yea be great if everything in life was as simplictic as what you two wrote.
Lou wrote:
Nod wrote:
If you don't like what you're being paid, go and find a new job...
Well Said!!!
Yea be great if everything in life was as simplictic as what you two wrote.
Posted by: Southampton Council Tax Payer, Southampton on 9:46am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Southampton Council Tax Payer[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote: Are you sure about the pension scheme? ;o) So Portsmouth must have below average council tax costs, for its residence ? http://www.findaprop erty.com/councilfact s.aspx?edid=00&saler ent=0&areaid=0660 Thought not. Another myth blown out the window. Outsourcing does not mean cheaper council tax or better services at all, go ask Brighton residence.[/quote] I noticed you did not comment on the state of the roads & their lack of maintainence or that Portsmouth has a better level of service in that area. Southampton does not have a maintained infrastructure & deserves value for money.[/quote] Go talk to your counselor about that, hardly a minion workers fault or responsibility [/quote] I see you still cannot comment on the basis of my statement about the roads & from your use of the word minion in your response describing a human being I would suspect you have never worked in the real world.
Joe King wrote:
Southampton Council Tax Payer wrote: Joe King wrote: Are you sure about the pension scheme? ;o) So Portsmouth must have below average council tax costs, for its residence ? http://www.findaprop erty.com/councilfact s.aspx?edid=00&saler ent=0&areaid=0660 Thought not. Another myth blown out the window. Outsourcing does not mean cheaper council tax or better services at all, go ask Brighton residence.
I noticed you did not comment on the state of the roads & their lack of maintainence or that Portsmouth has a better level of service in that area. Southampton does not have a maintained infrastructure & deserves value for money.
Go talk to your counselor about that, hardly a minion workers fault or responsibility
I see you still cannot comment on the basis of my statement about the roads & from your use of the word minion in your response describing a human being I would suspect you have never worked in the real world.
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 9:53am Wed 16 Jul 08
Your right i cant comment, for reasons i stated. I happen to be a refuse driver, who is on strike, so yes your right i have never worked in the real world.
Oh i don't work for Southampton council, so like i said this minion cant comment on Southampton roads. I told you who to go contact, if you feel that strongly write or phone. I feel strongly about something, so i went and strike because of it. What do you do, complain to a stranger on a forum
That's the trouble with a lot of people all hot air but do not have the courage or conviction to do anything. That's what i think most of this is about with you lot, recognition of that fact and jealousy.
Your right i cant comment, for reasons i stated. I happen to be a refuse driver, who is on strike, so yes your right i have never worked in the real world.
Oh i don't work for Southampton council, so like i said this minion cant comment on Southampton roads. I told you who to go contact, if you feel that strongly write or phone. I feel strongly about something, so i went and strike because of it. What do you do, complain to a stranger on a forum
That's the trouble with a lot of people all hot air but do not have the courage or conviction to do anything. That's what i think most of this is about with you lot, recognition of that fact and jealousy.
Posted by: Wewullywinky on 9:54am Wed 16 Jul 08
Care services for children, the disabled and the elderly were also expected to be hard hit
Thats not very caring is it. Wonder how many elderly are suffering this morning because they are waiting for their carers.
To be honest why bother striking, with today economy unless you get 5% plus, which is very unlikely, your going to stuggle un till everything calms down. So all of you on strike step back look at what your doing, look at what you will actually achieve and get back to work.
Care services for children, the disabled and the elderly were also expected to be hard hit
Thats not very caring is it. Wonder how many elderly are suffering this morning because they are waiting for their carers.
To be honest why bother striking, with today economy unless you get 5% plus, which is very unlikely, your going to stuggle un till everything calms down. So all of you on strike step back look at what your doing, look at what you will actually achieve and get back to work.
Posted by: Me,Myself and I, Southampton on 9:56am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Lou[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote: If you don't like what you're being paid, go and find a new job...[/quote] Well Said!!! [/quote] Yea be great if everything in life was as simplictic as what you two wrote. [/quote] Don`t go to Fords though...
Joe King wrote:
Lou wrote: Nod wrote: If you don't like what you're being paid, go and find a new job...
Well Said!!!
Yea be great if everything in life was as simplictic as what you two wrote.
Don`t go to Fords though...
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 9:58am Wed 16 Jul 08
Sometimes you have to make sacrifices in what you believe in. The trouble is people want their cake and eat it. If we just roll over, then we will be forever manipulated and treated unfairly, every time a pay review comes.
Sometimes you have to make sacrifices in what you believe in. The trouble is people want their cake and eat it. If we just roll over, then we will be forever manipulated and treated unfairly, every time a pay review comes.
Posted by: Clive, Soton on 10:53am Wed 16 Jul 08
I GOT NO PAY RISE THIS YEAR!
I HAVE TO TRAVEL SIXTY MILES A DAY TO AND FROM WORK.
I PAY BILLS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
UNISON - YOU ARE LUCKY TO GET ANY PAY RISE AWARDED TO YOU AT ALL. GET BACK TO WORK YOU MOANERS!
I GOT NO PAY RISE THIS YEAR!
I HAVE TO TRAVEL SIXTY MILES A DAY TO AND FROM WORK.
I PAY BILLS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
UNISON - YOU ARE LUCKY TO GET ANY PAY RISE AWARDED TO YOU AT ALL. GET BACK TO WORK YOU MOANERS!
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 10:58am Wed 16 Jul 08
BECAUSE CLIVE GOT DUNN, MEANS NO ONE ELSE CAN BETTER THEIR LOT.
So because you did not get a pay rise means no one else in the world can either.
BECAUSE CLIVE GOT DUNN, MEANS NO ONE ELSE CAN BETTER THEIR LOT.
So because you did not get a pay rise means no one else in the world can either.
Posted by: Dawn Patrol, M271 on 10:59am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Clive[/bold] wrote:
I GOT NO PAY RISE THIS YEAR!
I HAVE TO TRAVEL SIXTY MILES A DAY TO AND FROM WORK.
I PAY BILLS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
UNISON - YOU ARE LUCKY TO GET ANY PAY RISE AWARDED TO YOU AT ALL. GET BACK TO WORK YOU MOANERS! [/quote] Stop typing whilst driving!
It's just showing off and you know it's not clever.
Clive wrote:
I GOT NO PAY RISE THIS YEAR!
I HAVE TO TRAVEL SIXTY MILES A DAY TO AND FROM WORK.
I PAY BILLS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
UNISON - YOU ARE LUCKY TO GET ANY PAY RISE AWARDED TO YOU AT ALL. GET BACK TO WORK YOU MOANERS!
Stop typing whilst driving!
It's just showing off and you know it's not clever.
Posted by: M, Southampton on 11:29am Wed 16 Jul 08
I posted this last time the strike came up and I post again, still with no sympathy...
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I worked at SCC for 6 months and it's a total joke. The wasting of time and the "it's not my problem" attitude of most of the staff is outstanding!
I left due to feeling so unfulfilled, spending my days actually achieving nothing. Everyone there is always busy doing very little except justifying their own existence.
We had 2 hour meetings to discuss what should be included in the agenda for an upcoming meeting, this would then be followed a few days later by another meeting to decide who would be present at the next meeting!? All of which could have been resolved by a couple of phone calls and emails.
Only working for the government do you try and spend your whole budget whether you need to or not. Coming under budget for the year is discouraged as it means you'll get less allocation the following fiscal period. This is the exact opposite of the rest of the world where SAVING MONEY IS A GOOD THING.
Most of the civil service is a joke that should be trimmed to about 30% of it's existing size and cost. Bring in real targets and performance reviews getting rid of people who just don't cut it. Contrary to popular rumour the council isn't there to provide jobs for those who can't get "real work".
Sorry to most of those who do work for the council who feel hard done by and think they do work hard, but sorry, my experience is that the majority don't work anywhere near as efficiently or effectively as the private sector.
I posted this last time the strike came up and I post again, still with no sympathy...
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I worked at SCC for 6 months and it's a total joke. The wasting of time and the "it's not my problem" attitude of most of the staff is outstanding!
I left due to feeling so unfulfilled, spending my days actually achieving nothing. Everyone there is always busy doing very little except justifying their own existence.
We had 2 hour meetings to discuss what should be included in the agenda for an upcoming meeting, this would then be followed a few days later by another meeting to decide who would be present at the next meeting!? All of which could have been resolved by a couple of phone calls and emails.
Only working for the government do you try and spend your whole budget whether you need to or not. Coming under budget for the year is discouraged as it means you'll get less allocation the following fiscal period. This is the exact opposite of the rest of the world where SAVING MONEY IS A GOOD THING.
Most of the civil service is a joke that should be trimmed to about 30% of it's existing size and cost. Bring in real targets and performance reviews getting rid of people who just don't cut it. Contrary to popular rumour the council isn't there to provide jobs for those who can't get "real work".
Sorry to most of those who do work for the council who feel hard done by and think they do work hard, but sorry, my experience is that the majority don't work anywhere near as efficiently or effectively as the private sector.
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 11:35am Wed 16 Jul 08
So maul workers should not get a pay rise due to management and councilors miss management ?
So maul workers should not get a pay rise due to management and councilors miss management ?
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 11:37am Wed 16 Jul 08
That was meant to say manual workers.
That was meant to say manual workers.
Posted by: Not A Clue on 11:41am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
Your right i cant comment, for reasons i stated. I happen to be a refuse driver, who is on strike, so yes your right i have never worked in the real world. Oh i don't work for Southampton council, so like i said this minion cant comment on Southampton roads. I told you who to go contact, if you feel that strongly write or phone. I feel strongly about something, so i went and strike because of it. What do you do, complain to a stranger on a forum That's the trouble with a lot of people all hot air but do not have the courage or conviction to do anything. That's what i think most of this is about with you lot, recognition of that fact and jealousy. [/quote] How much do you earn a year?
I like to know more about what "earning a decent wage to live on" means, which some people have commented on?
"Live on" mean being able to afford luxury items like mobile phones, games consoles & designer items?
Or does it actually mean to live on? Not being able to buy food or clothes?
Joe King wrote:
Your right i cant comment, for reasons i stated. I happen to be a refuse driver, who is on strike, so yes your right i have never worked in the real world. Oh i don't work for Southampton council, so like i said this minion cant comment on Southampton roads. I told you who to go contact, if you feel that strongly write or phone. I feel strongly about something, so i went and strike because of it. What do you do, complain to a stranger on a forum That's the trouble with a lot of people all hot air but do not have the courage or conviction to do anything. That's what i think most of this is about with you lot, recognition of that fact and jealousy.
How much do you earn a year?
I like to know more about what "earning a decent wage to live on" means, which some people have commented on?
"Live on" mean being able to afford luxury items like mobile phones, games consoles & designer items?
Or does it actually mean to live on? Not being able to buy food or clothes?
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 11:45am Wed 16 Jul 08
I don't see why i have to divulge personal details of my income to a total stranger on a forum, so i wont.
Just say its well below the average wage
http://www.statistic
s.gov.uk/cci/nugget.
asp?id=285
I don't see why i have to divulge personal details of my income to a total stranger on a forum, so i wont.
Just say its well below the average wage
http://www.statistic
s.gov.uk/cci/nugget.
asp?id=285
Posted by: Not A Clue on 11:53am Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
I don't see why i have to divulge personal details of my income to a total stranger on a forum, so i wont. Just say its well below the average wage http://www.statistic s.gov.uk/cci/nugget. asp?id=285[/quote] Ok.
But what are your views on "to live on"?
Joe King wrote:
I don't see why i have to divulge personal details of my income to a total stranger on a forum, so i wont. Just say its well below the average wage http://www.statistic s.gov.uk/cci/nugget. asp?id=285
Ok.
But what are your views on "to live on"?
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 11:58am Wed 16 Jul 08
I can not get a mortgage on my wage, my wife works part time and we have a child to raise. I believe if a grown man can not even afford to buy a roof over his head, there must be something wrong.
With out my wife pulling in the pounds, we would be destitute.
I can not get a mortgage on my wage, my wife works part time and we have a child to raise. I believe if a grown man can not even afford to buy a roof over his head, there must be something wrong.
With out my wife pulling in the pounds, we would be destitute.
Posted by: Ernie Nuff, Southampton on 12:04pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Not A Clue[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote:
Your right i cant comment, for reasons i stated. I happen to be a refuse driver, who is on strike, so yes your right i have never worked in the real world. Oh i don't work for Southampton council, so like i said this minion cant comment on Southampton roads. I told you who to go contact, if you feel that strongly write or phone. I feel strongly about something, so i went and strike because of it. What do you do, complain to a stranger on a forum That's the trouble with a lot of people all hot air but do not have the courage or conviction to do anything. That's what i think most of this is about with you lot, recognition of that fact and jealousy. [/quote] How much do you earn a year?
I like to know more about what "earning a decent wage to live on" means, which some people have commented on?
"Live on" mean being able to afford luxury items like mobile phones, games consoles & designer items?
Or does it actually mean to live on? Not being able to buy food or clothes?[/quote] "earning a decent wage to live on"
Some people can 'live on' very little, others need substantial amounts to maintain their lifestyle.
It all depends on needs and wants, which obviously varies considerably amongst the population.
The problem is that a lot of people want stuff they don't need but still still continue to purchase regardless. It's then that they start moaning about not being able to pay for the 'essential needs'.
So, in answer to your question, a lot less than most people think, in most cases.
Not A Clue wrote:
Joe King wrote:
Your right i cant comment, for reasons i stated. I happen to be a refuse driver, who is on strike, so yes your right i have never worked in the real world. Oh i don't work for Southampton council, so like i said this minion cant comment on Southampton roads. I told you who to go contact, if you feel that strongly write or phone. I feel strongly about something, so i went and strike because of it. What do you do, complain to a stranger on a forum That's the trouble with a lot of people all hot air but do not have the courage or conviction to do anything. That's what i think most of this is about with you lot, recognition of that fact and jealousy.
How much do you earn a year?
I like to know more about what "earning a decent wage to live on" means, which some people have commented on?
"Live on" mean being able to afford luxury items like mobile phones, games consoles & designer items?
Or does it actually mean to live on? Not being able to buy food or clothes?
"earning a decent wage to live on"
Some people can 'live on' very little, others need substantial amounts to maintain their lifestyle.
It all depends on needs and wants, which obviously varies considerably amongst the population.
The problem is that a lot of people want stuff they don't need but still still continue to purchase regardless. It's then that they start moaning about not being able to pay for the 'essential needs'.
So, in answer to your question, a lot less than most people think, in most cases.
Posted by: Ed Case, Romsey on 12:08pm Wed 16 Jul 08
I used to pick my nose but my mum told me if I continued to Picket, my head would cave in?
I used to pick my nose but my mum told me if I continued to Picket, my head would cave in?
Posted by: Stuart Jebbitt, Eastleigh on 12:09pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Is it just me, or have we gone down a time tunnel back to 1979?
as I remember, Callaghan was also an ex-chancellor who got the top job via the back door and then couldn't handle it.
I see another 'winter of discontent' looming.
Unfortunately larger pay rises will only result in more inflation and a vicious circle.
Do we really want to end up like Zimbabwe?
(well maybe thats an extreme example :¬))
Everyone needs to think of the bigger picture and the longer term economic trends.
Tough time are ahead for everyone, period, and there's no avoiding it (unless you're an MP!)
Back in the late 70s the Unions destroyed the labour government and gave us Thatcher.
If they're not too careful they will ensure a massive Tory landslide for Cameron.
Is it just me, or have we gone down a time tunnel back to 1979?
as I remember, Callaghan was also an ex-chancellor who got the top job via the back door and then couldn't handle it.
I see another 'winter of discontent' looming.
Unfortunately larger pay rises will only result in more inflation and a vicious circle.
Do we really want to end up like Zimbabwe?
(well maybe thats an extreme example :¬))
Everyone needs to think of the bigger picture and the longer term economic trends.
Tough time are ahead for everyone, period, and there's no avoiding it (unless you're an MP!)
Back in the late 70s the Unions destroyed the labour government and gave us Thatcher.
If they're not too careful they will ensure a massive Tory landslide for Cameron.
Posted by: Joe King, Fawley on 12:13pm Wed 16 Jul 08
Are you a politician?
We hear tough times ahead, tighten your belts etc. From the government and councilors. While MP give them selves nice fat pay rises and councilors reward them selves with expense claims running in to the twenty thousands.
Are you a politician?
We hear tough times ahead, tighten your belts etc. From the government and councilors. While MP give them selves nice fat pay rises and councilors reward them selves with expense claims running in to the twenty thousands.
Posted by: Savvy on 12:13pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Ernie Nuff[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Not A Clue[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Joe King[/bold] wrote: Your right i cant comment, for reasons i stated. I happen to be a refuse driver, who is on strike, so yes your right i have never worked in the real world. Oh i don't work for Southampton council, so like i said this minion cant comment on Southampton roads. I told you who to go contact, if you feel that strongly write or phone. I feel strongly about something, so i went and strike because of it. What do you do, complain to a stranger on a forum That's the trouble with a lot of people all hot air but do not have the courage or conviction to do anything. That's what i think most of this is about with you lot, recognition of that fact and jealousy. [/quote] How much do you earn a year? I like to know more about what "earning a decent wage to live on" means, which some people have commented on? "Live on" mean being able to afford luxury items like mobile phones, games consoles & designer items? Or does it actually mean to live on? Not being able to buy food or clothes?[/quote] "earning a decent wage to live on" Some people can 'live on' very little, others need substantial amounts to maintain their lifestyle. It all depends on needs and wants, which obviously varies considerably amongst the population. The problem is that a lot of people want stuff they don't need but still still continue to purchase regardless. It's then that they start moaning about not being able to pay for the 'essential needs'. So, in answer to your question, a lot less than most people think, in most cases.[/quote] The greed of mankind.
So instead of making cut-backs on the things they do not need... they'd rather blame it on inflation and demand more payrises.
Ernie Nuff wrote:
Not A Clue wrote: Joe King wrote: Your right i cant comment, for reasons i stated. I happen to be a refuse driver, who is on strike, so yes your right i have never worked in the real world. Oh i don't work for Southampton council, so like i said this minion cant comment on Southampton roads. I told you who to go contact, if you feel that strongly write or phone. I feel strongly about something, so i went and strike because of it. What do you do, complain to a stranger on a forum That's the trouble with a lot of people all hot air but do not have the courage or conviction to do anything. That's what i think most of this is about with you lot, recognition of that fact and jealousy.
How much do you earn a year? I like to know more about what "earning a decent wage to live on" means, which some people have commented on? "Live on" mean being able to afford luxury items like mobile phones, games consoles & designer items? Or does it actually mean to live on? Not being able to buy food or clothes?
"earning a decent wage to live on" Some people can 'live on' very little, others need substantial amounts to maintain their lifestyle. It all depends on needs and wants, which obviously varies considerably amongst the population. The problem is that a lot of people want stuff they don't need but still still continue to purchase regardless. It's then that they start moaning about not being able to pay for the 'essential needs'. So, in answer to your question, a lot less than most people think, in most cases.
The greed of mankind.
So instead of making cut-backs on the things they do not need... they'd rather blame it on inflation and demand more payrises.
Posted by: Worried!, Woolston on 12:25pm Wed 16 Jul 08
It is constantly suggested that we must all tighten our belts at this difficult time... the problem is I don't wear one.
What can I do!!
It is constantly suggested that we must all tighten our belts at this difficult time... the problem is I don't wear one.
What can I do!!
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 12:26pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote:
Ian, if you\'re happy to give up 2 days pay then bigger fool you. You\'ve not a hope in hell of getting a bigger pay increase, why should council workers be treated more favourably than those in the private sector? I certainly don\'t want my council tax to increase any higher than it is at the moment.
As for the ballot, was it not done within the rules hence why it\'s not being recognised by Capita?[/quote] they are the the private sector condor,under the tory goverment of 1979 to 1989,they let all this type of work out to contractors.
Condor Man wrote:
Ian, if you\'re happy to give up 2 days pay then bigger fool you. You\'ve not a hope in hell of getting a bigger pay increase, why should council workers be treated more favourably than those in the private sector? I certainly don\'t want my council tax to increase any higher than it is at the moment.
As for the ballot, was it not done within the rules hence why it\'s not being recognised by Capita?
they are the the private sector condor,under the tory goverment of 1979 to 1989,they let all this type of work out to contractors.
Posted by: Tax Payer on 12:27pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Council Worker[/bold] wrote:
Quality a free day off. Thanks tax payers
[/quote] You're welcome. I'm quite happy to fund your free day off, given that I'm paid about 50 squillion times as much as you are, over here in the private sector where I might actually have to [italic]work[/italic] for my salary, but at least I can afford to drive a big fancy car and live in a nice big house and eat out all the time. Inflation? Rising fuel prices? Credit crunch? RPI out of control? Who cares? I'm consdirably richer than you
Council Worker wrote:
Quality a free day off. Thanks tax payers
You're welcome. I'm quite happy to fund your free day off, given that I'm paid about 50 squillion times as much as you are, over here in the private sector where I might actually have to
work for my salary, but at least I can afford to drive a big fancy car and live in a nice big house and eat out all the time. Inflation? Rising fuel prices? Credit crunch? RPI out of control? Who cares? I'm consdirably richer than you
Posted by: Bone Idle, Southampton on 12:36pm Wed 16 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Tax Payer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Council Worker[/bold] wrote:
Quality a free day off. Thanks tax payers
[/quote] You're welcome. I'm quite happy to fund your free day off, given that I'm paid about 50 squillion times as much as you are, over here in the private sector where I might actually have to [italic]work[/italic] for my salary, but at least I can afford to drive a big fancy car and live in a nice big house and eat out all the time. Inflation? Rising fuel prices? Credit crunch? RPI out of control? Who cares? I'm consdirably richer than you[/quote] For the millionth time stop exaggerating.
Tax Payer wrote:
Council Worker wrote:
Quality a free day off. Thanks tax payers
You're welcome. I'm quite happy to fund your free day off, given t
