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Striking council staff return to work
COUNCIL services across Hampshire were today getting back to normal as staff returned to work after a 48-hour walkout.
Union chiefs have hailed the strike a success that has sent a strong message members will not accept the "insulting" below inflation pay offer from local government employers.
Bin collections were abandoned, several schools and libraries shut, while some day services for the young, elderly and disabled were also affected.
Museums and council offices closed as staff manned picket lines and joined major rallies outside Southampton's Civic Centre and Hampshire County Council's headquarters in Winchester.
Members of Unison and Unite joined up to 500,000 colleagues from across England, Wales and Northern Ireland in a walkout in protest at a 2.45 per cent pay offer.
Union officials say many of their members are the lowest paid in the public sector, with cleaning staff earning just £11,193 a year, and special needs assistants getting £11,383.
They are demanding a rise of six per cent or 50p an hour, whichever is greater, and say councils should use contingency funds to pay for the increases.
Today, all services were due to start getting back to normal as employees returned to work, but the unions have said more strikes could be held if employers do not budge on their offer.
Unison's Southampton City Council branch secretary, Mike Tucker, said the action shows council workers are not prepared to accept a cut in real terms in their pay.
"I'm pleased with the number of members that took strike action. I think the strike was successful in getting our message across and demonstrating how strongly our members feel about pay," he said.
"With inflation increasing it is quite obvious that we have been offered a pay cut and people cannot afford to live on what they have been offered.
"We hope that the strike will result in the national negotiators re-opening talks, and we've been lobbying councillors in Southampton to put pressure on for that to happen.
"But if there's no negotiated settlement then we will proceed towards further strike action in September."
6:25am Friday 18th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: Joe Public on 6:44am Fri 18 Jul 08
I recall the USA air traffic controllers strike back in the 80s. The strike threatened to cripple that countries commerce, transportation system and create misery for many. Regan fired the lot and gave their jobs to others willing to do the work. Strikers are selfish. Get a grip. Dont like the pay? Get another job. No-one owes you a living. Be responsible. The public are your soft targets. Shame on you.
I recall the USA air traffic controllers strike back in the 80s. The strike threatened to cripple that countries commerce, transportation system and create misery for many. Regan fired the lot and gave their jobs to others willing to do the work. Strikers are selfish. Get a grip. Dont like the pay? Get another job. No-one owes you a living. Be responsible. The public are your soft targets. Shame on you.
Posted by: Condor Man, Southampton on 6:53am Fri 18 Jul 08
The likes of Mike Tucker are dinosaurs from a bygone age. People have mortgages and bills to pay and if they are going to lose wages due to strike eventually they'll be worse off even if they do get an above inflation pay increase.
If he's really up to the job he should challenge the pay differential between the under performing leaches at the top at the council rather than the decent people at the bottom.
The likes of Mike Tucker are dinosaurs from a bygone age. People have mortgages and bills to pay and if they are going to lose wages due to strike eventually they'll be worse off even if they do get an above inflation pay increase.
If he's really up to the job he should challenge the pay differential between the under performing leaches at the top at the council rather than the decent people at the bottom.
Posted by: Southampton Council Tax Payer, Southampton on 7:33am Fri 18 Jul 08
Apart from some dustbins not being emptied, did anyone notice any difference ?
Apart from some dustbins not being emptied, did anyone notice any difference ?
Posted by: simon waters, hampshire on 7:37am Fri 18 Jul 08
I feel the only people that should have a pay rise is the fireman,if council works do not like there pay then let the people have there job you have not got job.
they are on good money as it is instead of giving them more money use the money to repaire the roads[bold]bold[/bold]
I feel the only people that should have a pay rise is the fireman,if council works do not like there pay then let the people have there job you have not got job.
they are on good money as it is instead of giving them more money use the money to repaire the roads
Posted by: Mr Butlin, soton on 7:43am Fri 18 Jul 08
Got to go back - after two days they will need a rest.
Got to go back - after two days they will need a rest.
Posted by: constance tench, park bench on 8:05am Fri 18 Jul 08
work-shy, fascist, bully-boys.
work-shy, fascist, bully-boys.
Posted by: Crusty of Southampton, Southampton on 8:09am Fri 18 Jul 08
What a tiring day lounging outside the depots. Thank goodness I now live in Botley where none of these selfish lazy "workers?" weere on strike.
Beet the pubs did more trade over the last two days!
What a tiring day lounging outside the depots. Thank goodness I now live in Botley where none of these selfish lazy "workers?" weere on strike.
Beet the pubs did more trade over the last two days!
Posted by: Jacob, Hampshire on 8:10am Fri 18 Jul 08
I couldn't agree more with most of the comments above. I work for a local authority but I've worked every day this week as have the majority of people here (not sure about the success statement?!?)
I think 2.45% in the current climate is very reasonable indeed and in all honesty I wasn't expecting anything above 2%.
Yes, complain about Cllrs. allowence raises but that's a different issue.
I couldn't agree more with most of the comments above. I work for a local authority but I've worked every day this week as have the majority of people here (not sure about the success statement?!?)
I think 2.45% in the current climate is very reasonable indeed and in all honesty I wasn't expecting anything above 2%.
Yes, complain about Cllrs. allowence raises but that's a different issue.
Posted by: George on 8:10am Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Southampton Council Tax Payer[/bold] wrote:
Apart from some dustbins not being emptied, did anyone notice any difference ?[/quote] Yeh. There were more council workers on this website moaning about their lot
Southampton Council Tax Payer wrote:
Apart from some dustbins not being emptied, did anyone notice any difference ?
Yeh. There were more council workers on this website moaning about their lot
Posted by: Disgruntled Citizen on 8:39am Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote:
The likes of Mike Tucker are dinosaurs from a bygone age. People have mortgages and bills to pay and if they are going to lose wages due to strike eventually they'll be worse off even if they do get an above inflation pay increase.
If he's really up to the job he should challenge the pay differential between the under performing leaches at the top at the council rather than the decent people at the bottom.[/quote] Trade Union Leaders are con artists. They may get their members a marginally bigger pay increase but at what price ? The extra money gets swollowed up by lost wages when on strike. Public sympathy and support for the strike action evaporates to be replaced by lingering anger. Jobs soon disappear because of the wage settlement. Do Union Leaders suffer? Nope. They are shielded and cocooned from hardship experienced by their members. Workers should demand higher standards from these parasites. They are amazingly poor value for money.
Condor Man wrote:
The likes of Mike Tucker are dinosaurs from a bygone age. People have mortgages and bills to pay and if they are going to lose wages due to strike eventually they'll be worse off even if they do get an above inflation pay increase.
If he's really up to the job he should challenge the pay differential between the under performing leaches at the top at the council rather than the decent people at the bottom.
Trade Union Leaders are con artists. They may get their members a marginally bigger pay increase but at what price ? The extra money gets swollowed up by lost wages when on strike. Public sympathy and support for the strike action evaporates to be replaced by lingering anger. Jobs soon disappear because of the wage settlement. Do Union Leaders suffer? Nope. They are shielded and cocooned from hardship experienced by their members. Workers should demand higher standards from these parasites. They are amazingly poor value for money.
Posted by: Andy, eastleigh on 8:51am Fri 18 Jul 08
2.45 % seems reasonable to me. Personally I have had no rise in three years and this goes for many people I know. If people acted this way in a private company they would be told to stay away. This is just a result of too many people on the gravy train .
2.45 % seems reasonable to me. Personally I have had no rise in three years and this goes for many people I know. If people acted this way in a private company they would be told to stay away. This is just a result of too many people on the gravy train .
Posted by: Christoff on 9:00am Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Southampton Council Tax Payer[/bold] wrote:
Apart from some dustbins not being emptied, did anyone notice any difference ?[/quote] no but the dustbins not being emptied is probably the biggest issue that impacts on people.I now have my bins full with my daughter's smelly nappies and will have to wait until next week. Bring on the rats and foxes. I wonder if we are allowed to fly tip in this scenario. If only I had an address for a damned binman.
Southampton Council Tax Payer wrote:
Apart from some dustbins not being emptied, did anyone notice any difference ?
no but the dustbins not being emptied is probably the biggest issue that impacts on people.I now have my bins full with my daughter's smelly nappies and will have to wait until next week. Bring on the rats and foxes. I wonder if we are allowed to fly tip in this scenario. If only I had an address for a damned binman.
Posted by: Fred on 9:01am Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Southampton Council Tax Payer[/bold] wrote:
Apart from some dustbins not being emptied, did anyone notice any difference ?[/quote] Less traffic in town was a bonus. Hope the strikers can pay their bills next month.
Don't like the pay, earn another way.
Southampton Council Tax Payer wrote:
Apart from some dustbins not being emptied, did anyone notice any difference ?
Less traffic in town was a bonus. Hope the strikers can pay their bills next month.
Don't like the pay, earn another way.
Posted by: steve, soton on 9:18am Fri 18 Jul 08
I cant wait until private companies offer refuse collection. Many companies are looking into this in the area. You fill your bin up and book a slot on line or over the phone. This will allow residents choice of collection. I hope the council will then offer residents who use the private collectors the chance to have their council tax reduced . Not long now I expect...
I cant wait until private companies offer refuse collection. Many companies are looking into this in the area. You fill your bin up and book a slot on line or over the phone. This will allow residents choice of collection. I hope the council will then offer residents who use the private collectors the chance to have their council tax reduced . Not long now I expect...
Posted by: Perry, Southampton on 9:19am Fri 18 Jul 08
They wont be getting a pay rise no matter how many times they strike. Shame they dont work for Capita I dont think any of them have a problem with pay...
They wont be getting a pay rise no matter how many times they strike. Shame they dont work for Capita I dont think any of them have a problem with pay...
Posted by: Becky, Woolston on 9:24am Fri 18 Jul 08
I've got no sympathy for them at all. If you don't like the pay rise get another job. Only people in the public sector strike. Do you see people in the private sector striking .....
Carry on and strike. I'm not bothered if my bins go a week without collection. Let them lose money every time they strike - soon the payrise will be worth nothing because of the money they have lost in wages. Selfish - the whole lot of them. Most of them couldn't work in the private sector because they've had such an easy time working at the Council.
I've got no sympathy for them at all. If you don't like the pay rise get another job. Only people in the public sector strike. Do you see people in the private sector striking .....
Carry on and strike. I'm not bothered if my bins go a week without collection. Let them lose money every time they strike - soon the payrise will be worth nothing because of the money they have lost in wages. Selfish - the whole lot of them. Most of them couldn't work in the private sector because they've had such an easy time working at the Council.
Posted by: George on 10:31am Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Andy[/bold] wrote:
2.45 % seems reasonable to me. Personally I have had no rise in three years and this goes for many people I know. If people acted this way in a private company they would be told to stay away. This is just a result of too many people on the gravy train . [/quote] It's the same as I got this year (private sector) and while it might not be as much as I'd wanted, or have had in the past, that's life. I'm still able to put a roof over my head, eat fairly well, put fuel in my car, buy clothes and go to the pub. Won't see me complaining, or striking. Be thankful you're getting anything, council workers. There are starving children in Africa that don't even [italic]get[/italic] pay rises
Andy wrote:
2.45 % seems reasonable to me. Personally I have had no rise in three years and this goes for many people I know. If people acted this way in a private company they would be told to stay away. This is just a result of too many people on the gravy train .
It's the same as I got this year (private sector) and while it might not be as much as I'd wanted, or have had in the past, that's life. I'm still able to put a roof over my head, eat fairly well, put fuel in my car, buy clothes and go to the pub. Won't see me complaining, or striking. Be thankful you're getting anything, council workers. There are starving children in Africa that don't even
get pay rises
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 10:46am Fri 18 Jul 08
[bold]Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action.
Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community.
Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner.
Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance.
Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour's Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.[/bold]
Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action.
Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community.
Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner.
Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance.
Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour's Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense. Posted by: Goard, Strike on 11:13am Fri 18 Jul 08
My immediate reaction was - if the Council, Cabinet, MPs Mr. Thornbur, advisers and his committee and Old Tom Cobley and All could pile into the Electorates' pockets then it does not send a good message to anyone else and if it means these people feel there is enough money floating around then why should Mr. Brown allow one section of the community to help themselves and deprive the rest of the workers - of course, the rest of the country want a slice of THAT cake too.
But, of course, two wrongs do not make a right, and it's time the MPs and the rest realise this and set an example.
goard
My immediate reaction was - if the Council, Cabinet, MPs Mr. Thornbur, advisers and his committee and Old Tom Cobley and All could pile into the Electorates' pockets then it does not send a good message to anyone else and if it means these people feel there is enough money floating around then why should Mr. Brown allow one section of the community to help themselves and deprive the rest of the workers - of course, the rest of the country want a slice of THAT cake too.
But, of course, two wrongs do not make a right, and it's time the MPs and the rest realise this and set an example.
goard
Posted by: Me, Still at my desk on 11:47am Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour's Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.[/bold] [/quote] Oh go away! Why do you always have negative things to say?
I work for the council and feel lucky to have a job. People are always going to moan about their position in life. Stop moaning or find another job.
I didn't strike as I don't agree with it and I think Unison are out for themselves. I am a member who is seriously thinking of stopping my membership as I needed information for an individual need and they weren't interested and never got back to me.
If people really are that greedy about a pay rise that the council always give each year - get a second job!
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour's Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.
Oh go away! Why do you always have negative things to say?
I work for the council and feel lucky to have a job. People are always going to moan about their position in life. Stop moaning or find another job.
I didn't strike as I don't agree with it and I think Unison are out for themselves. I am a member who is seriously thinking of stopping my membership as I needed information for an individual need and they weren't interested and never got back to me.
If people really are that greedy about a pay rise that the council always give each year - get a second job!
Posted by: Lou Lum, winchester on 12:32pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Well done for those coming out with comments sticking up for us underpaid council workers ! We will get our pay rise wait and see......
Well done for those coming out with comments sticking up for us underpaid council workers ! We will get our pay rise wait and see......
Posted by: George on 12:40pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Lou Lum[/bold] wrote:
Well done for those coming out with comments sticking up for us underpaid council workers ! We will get our pay rise wait and see...... [/quote] And a fair amount of that pay rise will be cancelled out by your rise in council tax. Nice one
Lou Lum wrote:
Well done for those coming out with comments sticking up for us underpaid council workers ! We will get our pay rise wait and see......
And a fair amount of that pay rise will be cancelled out by your rise in council tax. Nice one
Posted by: Lou Lum, winchester on 12:45pm Fri 18 Jul 08
george think you will find the council tax will go up anyway
nice one
george think you will find the council tax will go up anyway
nice one
Posted by: George on 1:17pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Lou Lum[/bold] wrote:
george think you will find the council tax will go up anyway
nice one[/quote] Of course it will. But even more so to fund your petty demands. Point refuted. Bye bye
Lou Lum wrote:
george think you will find the council tax will go up anyway
nice one
Of course it will. But even more so to fund your petty demands. Point refuted. Bye bye
Posted by: Your a Scab, scabhampton on 1:24pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Me[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour\'s Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.[/bold] [/quote] Oh go away! Why do you always have negative things to say?
I work for the council and feel lucky to have a job. People are always going to moan about their position in life. Stop moaning or find another job.
I didn\'t strike as I don\'t agree with it and I think Unison are out for themselves. I am a member who is seriously thinking of stopping my membership as I needed information for an individual need and they weren\'t interested and never got back to me.
If people really are that greedy about a pay rise that the council always give each year - get a second job![/quote] Hey Scab, Why join unison in the first place? Because your a selfish individual that will go crying to them if you ever found your self having problems. You want it all your own way, join a union and don't support the democratic vote we had for strike action.
I am sure if we get a higher pay award you will except it, off the the back off people that sacrificed money in their believe of their rights.
Scabs like you are the lowest of the low. You take, like a parasite
Me wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour\'s Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.
Oh go away! Why do you always have negative things to say?
I work for the council and feel lucky to have a job. People are always going to moan about their position in life. Stop moaning or find another job.
I didn\'t strike as I don\'t agree with it and I think Unison are out for themselves. I am a member who is seriously thinking of stopping my membership as I needed information for an individual need and they weren\'t interested and never got back to me.
If people really are that greedy about a pay rise that the council always give each year - get a second job!
Hey Scab, Why join unison in the first place? Because your a selfish individual that will go crying to them if you ever found your self having problems. You want it all your own way, join a union and don't support the democratic vote we had for strike action.
I am sure if we get a higher pay award you will except it, off the the back off people that sacrificed money in their believe of their rights.
Scabs like you are the lowest of the low. You take, like a parasite
Posted by: Scab Lover, Southampton on 1:31pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Your a Scab[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Me[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [bold]Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour\'s Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.[/bold] [/quote] Oh go away! Why do you always have negative things to say? I work for the council and feel lucky to have a job. People are always going to moan about their position in life. Stop moaning or find another job. I didn\'t strike as I don\'t agree with it and I think Unison are out for themselves. I am a member who is seriously thinking of stopping my membership as I needed information for an individual need and they weren\'t interested and never got back to me. If people really are that greedy about a pay rise that the council always give each year - get a second job![/quote] Hey Scab, Why join unison in the first place? Because your a selfish individual that will go crying to them if you ever found your self having problems. You want it all your own way, join a union and don't support the democratic vote we had for strike action. I am sure if we get a higher pay award you will except it, off the the back off people that sacrificed money in their believe of their rights. Scabs like you are the lowest of the low. You take, like a parasite [/quote] Go back under the rock you crawled from! Just get on with the job your supposed to be doing and accept the payrise...
Your a Scab wrote:
Me wrote: Paramjit Bahia wrote: Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour\'s Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.
Oh go away! Why do you always have negative things to say? I work for the council and feel lucky to have a job. People are always going to moan about their position in life. Stop moaning or find another job. I didn\'t strike as I don\'t agree with it and I think Unison are out for themselves. I am a member who is seriously thinking of stopping my membership as I needed information for an individual need and they weren\'t interested and never got back to me. If people really are that greedy about a pay rise that the council always give each year - get a second job!
Hey Scab, Why join unison in the first place? Because your a selfish individual that will go crying to them if you ever found your self having problems. You want it all your own way, join a union and don't support the democratic vote we had for strike action. I am sure if we get a higher pay award you will except it, off the the back off people that sacrificed money in their believe of their rights. Scabs like you are the lowest of the low. You take, like a parasite
Go back under the rock you crawled from! Just get on with the job your supposed to be doing and accept the payrise...
Posted by: Your a Scab, scabhampton on 1:33pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Are you by any chance the missing link ?
Are you by any chance the missing link ?
Posted by: Bambi on 1:33pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Your a Scab[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Me[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour\'s Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.[/bold] [/quote] Oh go away! Why do you always have negative things to say?
I work for the council and feel lucky to have a job. People are always going to moan about their position in life. Stop moaning or find another job.
I didn\'t strike as I don\'t agree with it and I think Unison are out for themselves. I am a member who is seriously thinking of stopping my membership as I needed information for an individual need and they weren\'t interested and never got back to me.
If people really are that greedy about a pay rise that the council always give each year - get a second job![/quote] Hey Scab, Why join unison in the first place? Because your a selfish individual that will go crying to them if you ever found your self having problems. You want it all your own way, join a union and don't support the democratic vote we had for strike action.
I am sure if we get a higher pay award you will except it, off the the back off people that sacrificed money in their believe of their rights.
Scabs like you are the lowest of the low. You take, like a parasite [/quote] No, [bold]you[/bold] are the lowest of the low, [bold]you[/bold] are the parasite. Trying to bully the taxpayer into doing what you want. You're not [italic]entitled[/italic] to a pay rise, nobody is. If you don't like your conditions, find another job. Everyone else manages it. Screwing up the services we all pay for as part of a little tantrum isn't really acceptable
Your a Scab wrote:
Me wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour\'s Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.
Oh go away! Why do you always have negative things to say?
I work for the council and feel lucky to have a job. People are always going to moan about their position in life. Stop moaning or find another job.
I didn\'t strike as I don\'t agree with it and I think Unison are out for themselves. I am a member who is seriously thinking of stopping my membership as I needed information for an individual need and they weren\'t interested and never got back to me.
If people really are that greedy about a pay rise that the council always give each year - get a second job!
Hey Scab, Why join unison in the first place? Because your a selfish individual that will go crying to them if you ever found your self having problems. You want it all your own way, join a union and don't support the democratic vote we had for strike action.
I am sure if we get a higher pay award you will except it, off the the back off people that sacrificed money in their believe of their rights.
Scabs like you are the lowest of the low. You take, like a parasite
No,
you are the lowest of the low,
you are the parasite. Trying to bully the taxpayer into doing what you want. You're not
entitled to a pay rise, nobody is. If you don't like your conditions, find another job. Everyone else manages it. Screwing up the services we all pay for as part of a little tantrum isn't really acceptable
Posted by: Christoff on 1:34pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour's Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.[/bold] [/quote] [quote]Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community.[/quote]
Love your political rants Paramjit but please don't tell me you actually believe people work for the council to do good work in the community.
A job is a job is a job. If they were feeling so warm and cuddly about the community they wouldn't be bothered and the strike wouldn't have happened.
Can I bring my bins round your gaff? ;-)
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour's Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.
Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community.
Love your political rants Paramjit but please don't tell me you actually believe people work for the council to do good work in the community.
A job is a job is a job. If they were feeling so warm and cuddly about the community they wouldn't be bothered and the strike wouldn't have happened.
Can I bring my bins round your gaff? ;-)
Posted by: Daytripper, soton on 1:38pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Did anyone notice - Mayflower Park did not have the usual Council vans taking up all the parking spaces. I do feel for them though, where did they get to kip on the picket line ?
Did anyone notice - Mayflower Park did not have the usual Council vans taking up all the parking spaces. I do feel for them though, where did they get to kip on the picket line ?
Posted by: Your a Scab, scabhampton on 1:49pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Your a Scab[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Me[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour\\\'s Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.[/bold] [/quote] Oh go away! Why do you always have negative things to say?
I work for the council and feel lucky to have a job. People are always going to moan about their position in life. Stop moaning or find another job.
I didn\\\'t strike as I don\\\'t agree with it and I think Unison are out for themselves. I am a member who is seriously thinking of stopping my membership as I needed information for an individual need and they weren\\\'t interested and never got back to me.
If people really are that greedy about a pay rise that the council always give each year - get a second job![/quote] Hey Scab, Why join unison in the first place? Because your a selfish individual that will go crying to them if you ever found your self having problems. You want it all your own way, join a union and don\'t support the democratic vote we had for strike action.
I am sure if we get a higher pay award you will except it, off the the back off people that sacrificed money in their believe of their rights.
Scabs like you are the lowest of the low. You take, like a parasite [/quote] No, [bold]you[/bold] are the lowest of the low, [bold]you[/bold] are the parasite. Trying to bully the taxpayer into doing what you want. You\'re not [italic]entitled[/italic] to a pay rise, nobody is. If you don\'t like your conditions, find another job. Everyone else manages it. Screwing up the services we all pay for as part of a little tantrum isn\'t really acceptable[/quote] Screwing up services. See the problem is when you mix thick with ignorance, you get people like you that blame the low paid worker, because they are visible and on the front line. Instead of councilors who make the rules and management implement them.
You sound like a right dweeb that a boss would love to take advantage off and exploit, what a Muppet. With your neanderthal and highly original "if you don't like it get another job" quote, is so lame beyond reason.
Ug Ug
Bambi wrote:
Your a Scab wrote:
Me wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour's Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.
Oh go away! Why do you always have negative things to say?
I work for the council and feel lucky to have a job. People are always going to moan about their position in life. Stop moaning or find another job.
I didn't strike as I don't agree with it and I think Unison are out for themselves. I am a member who is seriously thinking of stopping my membership as I needed information for an individual need and they weren't interested and never got back to me.
If people really are that greedy about a pay rise that the council always give each year - get a second job!
Hey Scab, Why join unison in the first place? Because your a selfish individual that will go crying to them if you ever found your self having problems. You want it all your own way, join a union and don\'t support the democratic vote we had for strike action.
I am sure if we get a higher pay award you will except it, off the the back off people that sacrificed money in their believe of their rights.
Scabs like you are the lowest of the low. You take, like a parasite
No, you are the lowest of the low, you are the parasite. Trying to bully the taxpayer into doing what you want. You\'re not entitled to a pay rise, nobody is. If you don\'t like your conditions, find another job. Everyone else manages it. Screwing up the services we all pay for as part of a little tantrum isn\'t really acceptable
Screwing up services. See the problem is when you mix thick with ignorance, you get people like you that blame the low paid worker, because they are visible and on the front line. Instead of councilors who make the rules and management implement them.
You sound like a right dweeb that a boss would love to take advantage off and exploit, what a Muppet. With your neanderthal and highly original "if you don't like it get another job" quote, is so lame beyond reason.
Ug Ug
Posted by: Bambi on 2:43pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Your a Scab[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Your a Scab[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Me[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour\\\'s Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.[/bold] [/quote] Oh go away! Why do you always have negative things to say?
I work for the council and feel lucky to have a job. People are always going to moan about their position in life. Stop moaning or find another job.
I didn\\\'t strike as I don\\\'t agree with it and I think Unison are out for themselves. I am a member who is seriously thinking of stopping my membership as I needed information for an individual need and they weren\\\'t interested and never got back to me.
If people really are that greedy about a pay rise that the council always give each year - get a second job![/quote] Hey Scab, Why join unison in the first place? Because your a selfish individual that will go crying to them if you ever found your self having problems. You want it all your own way, join a union and don\'t support the democratic vote we had for strike action.
I am sure if we get a higher pay award you will except it, off the the back off people that sacrificed money in their believe of their rights.
Scabs like you are the lowest of the low. You take, like a parasite [/quote] No, [bold]you[/bold] are the lowest of the low, [bold]you[/bold] are the parasite. Trying to bully the taxpayer into doing what you want. You\'re not [italic]entitled[/italic] to a pay rise, nobody is. If you don\'t like your conditions, find another job. Everyone else manages it. Screwing up the services we all pay for as part of a little tantrum isn\'t really acceptable[/quote] Screwing up services. See the problem is when you mix thick with ignorance, you get people like you that blame the low paid worker, because they are visible and on the front line. Instead of councilors who make the rules and management implement them.
You sound like a right dweeb that a boss would love to take advantage off and exploit, what a Muppet. With your neanderthal and highly original "if you don't like it get another job" quote, is so lame beyond reason.
Ug Ug[/quote] Yep carry on calling me names. That'll help. Every single one of you council workers that posts here has exactly the same attitude: insult everyone that isn't them. I hope the lot of you get sacked, you workshy, over-entited ne'er-do-well fool. And, no, I couldn't care less if some of you have families, given the utter contempt you have for the people paying your more-than-adequate wages
When I said "screwing up the services" I was referring to the strike, not the mis-management in general. By striking, you have, by definition and intent, stopped some services that we are paying for. You did that. Not your management, not the councillors. You, the frontline. Isn't that why you're striking, after all? It wouldn't be much of a strike if services [italic]weren't[/italic] affected, now, would it? Seems you are the thick ignorant, neanderthal dweeb muppet, after all. Too busy looking for an argument to be bothered to read properly. Just like you're too busy whining about your lot to be grateful you've even got a job
Could you explain what's wrong with the "get another job" quote? I wasn't aiming for originality with that quote, there are only so many ways one can be right. It's not a difficult concept: don't like something? Make the change. Simple. If your local puts the price of beer up to an unreasonable amount, do you a) Go on strike, refuse to drink there, abuse other people who choose to carry on drinking there, picket the pub and demand that the price be lowered? Or do you b) go drink somewhere else, or just put up with it?
Could you explain how I'm being taken advantage of by my boss when I'm getting paid a whole lot more than anyone in the public sector doing the same job as me? I'm hardly being exploited. If I don't like the conditions I work under, I change them. I don't throw a hissy fit and expect a handout.
What a neanderthal muppet wah wah stamp feet tantrum tantrum I'm not getting my own way etc blah blah typical lazy public sector malcontent etc
I suggest you spend less time trying to pick fights with strangers on the Internet, and go do something friggin' useful for a change, you utterly ridiculous little boy
Your a Scab wrote:
Bambi wrote:
Your a Scab wrote:
Me wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour's Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.
Oh go away! Why do you always have negative things to say?
I work for the council and feel lucky to have a job. People are always going to moan about their position in life. Stop moaning or find another job.
I didn't strike as I don't agree with it and I think Unison are out for themselves. I am a member who is seriously thinking of stopping my membership as I needed information for an individual need and they weren't interested and never got back to me.
If people really are that greedy about a pay rise that the council always give each year - get a second job!
Hey Scab, Why join unison in the first place? Because your a selfish individual that will go crying to them if you ever found your self having problems. You want it all your own way, join a union and don\'t support the democratic vote we had for strike action.
I am sure if we get a higher pay award you will except it, off the the back off people that sacrificed money in their believe of their rights.
Scabs like you are the lowest of the low. You take, like a parasite
No, you are the lowest of the low, you are the parasite. Trying to bully the taxpayer into doing what you want. You\'re not entitled to a pay rise, nobody is. If you don\'t like your conditions, find another job. Everyone else manages it. Screwing up the services we all pay for as part of a little tantrum isn\'t really acceptable
Screwing up services. See the problem is when you mix thick with ignorance, you get people like you that blame the low paid worker, because they are visible and on the front line. Instead of councilors who make the rules and management implement them.
You sound like a right dweeb that a boss would love to take advantage off and exploit, what a Muppet. With your neanderthal and highly original "if you don't like it get another job" quote, is so lame beyond reason.
Ug Ug
Yep carry on calling me names. That'll help. Every single one of you council workers that posts here has exactly the same attitude: insult everyone that isn't them. I hope the lot of you get sacked, you workshy, over-entited ne'er-do-well fool. And, no, I couldn't care less if some of you have families, given the utter contempt you have for the people paying your more-than-adequate wages
When I said "screwing up the services" I was referring to the strike, not the mis-management in general. By striking, you have, by definition and intent, stopped some services that we are paying for. You did that. Not your management, not the councillors. You, the frontline. Isn't that why you're striking, after all? It wouldn't be much of a strike if services
weren't affected, now, would it? Seems you are the thick ignorant, neanderthal dweeb muppet, after all. Too busy looking for an argument to be bothered to read properly. Just like you're too busy whining about your lot to be grateful you've even got a job
Could you explain what's wrong with the "get another job" quote? I wasn't aiming for originality with that quote, there are only so many ways one can be right. It's not a difficult concept: don't like something? Make the change. Simple. If your local puts the price of beer up to an unreasonable amount, do you a) Go on strike, refuse to drink there, abuse other people who choose to carry on drinking there, picket the pub and demand that the price be lowered? Or do you b) go drink somewhere else, or just put up with it?
Could you explain how I'm being taken advantage of by my boss when I'm getting paid a whole lot more than anyone in the public sector doing the same job as me? I'm hardly being exploited. If I don't like the conditions I work under, I change them. I don't throw a hissy fit and expect a handout.
What a neanderthal muppet wah wah stamp feet tantrum tantrum I'm not getting my own way etc blah blah typical lazy public sector malcontent etc
I suggest you spend less time trying to pick fights with strangers on the Internet, and go do something friggin' useful for a change, you utterly ridiculous little boy
Posted by: Council Worker, Soton on 2:51pm Fri 18 Jul 08
"Your a Scab": please stop picking fights with everyone! You're not helping our cause one little bit, you're just making us look like a bunch of idiots that hate the general public. Not going to garner us much sympathy or support. For the record, not all of us think like this clown
"Your a Scab": please stop picking fights with everyone! You're not helping our cause one little bit, you're just making us look like a bunch of idiots that hate the general public. Not going to garner us much sympathy or support. For the record, not all of us think like this clown
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 2:56pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Christoff[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [bold]Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour\'s Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.[/bold] [/quote] [quote]Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community.[/quote] Love your political rants Paramjit but please don\'t tell me you actually believe people work for the council to do good work in the community. A job is a job is a job. If they were feeling so warm and cuddly about the community they wouldn\'t be bothered and the strike wouldn\'t have happened. Can I bring my bins round your gaff? ;-)[/quote] Yes I do believe that vast majority of these workers work very hard and do care about the communities. It is not only my belief but with experience of dealing with them I am fully aware of this fact. Obviously there may be some odd one who is not doing the job properly but overall most of them are worth every penny they get.
Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.
They are not on strike for the fun of it, but they haven't got much of choice.
Strange it may sound to you, but while I am critical of strike breakers, who in trade union language are known as 'Scabs', I think most of them are also dedicated workers.
No please do not bring your bin to me! But you may consider sending it to Gordon Brown or Alistar Darling who are behind the policies creating problems.
Christoff wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour\'s Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.
Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community.
Love your political rants Paramjit but please don\'t tell me you actually believe people work for the council to do good work in the community. A job is a job is a job. If they were feeling so warm and cuddly about the community they wouldn\'t be bothered and the strike wouldn\'t have happened. Can I bring my bins round your gaff? ;-)
Yes I do believe that vast majority of these workers work very hard and do care about the communities. It is not only my belief but with experience of dealing with them I am fully aware of this fact. Obviously there may be some odd one who is not doing the job properly but overall most of them are worth every penny they get.
Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.
They are not on strike for the fun of it, but they haven't got much of choice.
Strange it may sound to you, but while I am critical of strike breakers, who in trade union language are known as 'Scabs', I think most of them are also dedicated workers.
No please do not bring your bin to me! But you may consider sending it to Gordon Brown or Alistar Darling who are behind the policies creating problems.
Posted by: Jeff McLean, Chandlers Ford on 2:59pm Fri 18 Jul 08
I am a shift worker, and I don't see what the relevance is. In Fords, shift workers do all the donkey work that the days wont do.
I am a shift worker, and I don't see what the relevance is. In Fords, shift workers do all the donkey work that the days wont do.
Posted by: Bambi on 3:01pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote]Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.[/quote]
I agree. But given the contempt and abusiveness of those council employees that choose to come here spitting venom at everyone, it's easy to see why that respect is not forthcoming.
The whole point of the strike is to cause trouble for everyone - yes it is, no point denying it - in order to draw attention to their concerns. Nothing innately wrong with that, that's their entitlement, regardless of how anyone else feels about it. But if they do that and simultaneously expect sympathy from the very people they're causing problems for, they're profoundly naive. To spend so much time being abusive toward people who are opining about the situation does not make anyone more likely to sympathise. Quite the opposite
Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.
I agree. But given the contempt and abusiveness of those council employees that choose to come here spitting venom at everyone, it's easy to see why that respect is not forthcoming.
The whole point of the strike is to cause trouble for everyone - yes it is, no point denying it - in order to draw attention to their concerns. Nothing innately wrong with that, that's their entitlement, regardless of how anyone else feels about it. But if they do that and simultaneously expect sympathy from the very people they're causing problems for, they're profoundly naive. To spend so much time being abusive toward people who are opining about the situation does not make anyone more likely to sympathise. Quite the opposite
Posted by: Jeff McLean, Chandlers Ford on 3:05pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.[/quote] I agree. But given the contempt and abusiveness of those council employees that choose to come here spitting venom at everyone, it's easy to see why that respect is not forthcoming. The whole point of the strike is to cause trouble for everyone - yes it is, no point denying it - in order to draw attention to their concerns. Nothing innately wrong with that, that's their entitlement, regardless of how anyone else feels about it. But if they do that and simultaneously expect sympathy from the very people they're causing problems for, they're profoundly naive. To spend so much time being abusive toward people who are opining about the situation does not make anyone more likely to sympathise. Quite the opposite[/quote] Bambi
Run that by me again ...
Bambi wrote:
Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.
I agree. But given the contempt and abusiveness of those council employees that choose to come here spitting venom at everyone, it's easy to see why that respect is not forthcoming. The whole point of the strike is to cause trouble for everyone - yes it is, no point denying it - in order to draw attention to their concerns. Nothing innately wrong with that, that's their entitlement, regardless of how anyone else feels about it. But if they do that and simultaneously expect sympathy from the very people they're causing problems for, they're profoundly naive. To spend so much time being abusive toward people who are opining about the situation does not make anyone more likely to sympathise. Quite the opposite
Bambi
Run that by me again ...
Posted by: Bambi on 3:10pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jeff McLean[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.[/quote] I agree. But given the contempt and abusiveness of those council employees that choose to come here spitting venom at everyone, it's easy to see why that respect is not forthcoming. The whole point of the strike is to cause trouble for everyone - yes it is, no point denying it - in order to draw attention to their concerns. Nothing innately wrong with that, that's their entitlement, regardless of how anyone else feels about it. But if they do that and simultaneously expect sympathy from the very people they're causing problems for, they're profoundly naive. To spend so much time being abusive toward people who are opining about the situation does not make anyone more likely to sympathise. Quite the opposite[/quote] Bambi
Run that by me again ...[/quote] I'm quoting part of a post above declaring that the workers deserve more respect than they're getting on this website. If you've been following the story for the last day or so, you'll have seen that there are a number of people comment on them saying why they disagree with the strike, which is entirely reasonable and they're entitled to do so. However, a number of council workers get very abusive toward anyone who dares voice this opinion (see above, for example). I'm pointing out that that does nothing to earn said respect
That's all
Jeff McLean wrote:
Bambi wrote:
Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.
I agree. But given the contempt and abusiveness of those council employees that choose to come here spitting venom at everyone, it's easy to see why that respect is not forthcoming. The whole point of the strike is to cause trouble for everyone - yes it is, no point denying it - in order to draw attention to their concerns. Nothing innately wrong with that, that's their entitlement, regardless of how anyone else feels about it. But if they do that and simultaneously expect sympathy from the very people they're causing problems for, they're profoundly naive. To spend so much time being abusive toward people who are opining about the situation does not make anyone more likely to sympathise. Quite the opposite
Bambi
Run that by me again ...
I'm quoting part of a post above declaring that the workers deserve more respect than they're getting on this website. If you've been following the story for the last day or so, you'll have seen that there are a number of people comment on them saying why they disagree with the strike, which is entirely reasonable and they're entitled to do so. However, a number of council workers get very abusive toward anyone who dares voice this opinion (see above, for example). I'm pointing out that that does nothing to earn said respect
That's all
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 3:13pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.[/quote] I agree. But given the contempt and abusiveness of those council employees that choose to come here spitting venom at everyone, it's easy to see why that respect is not forthcoming. The whole point of the strike is to cause trouble for everyone - yes it is, no point denying it - in order to draw attention to their concerns. Nothing innately wrong with that, that's their entitlement, regardless of how anyone else feels about it. But if they do that and simultaneously expect sympathy from the very people they're causing problems for, they're profoundly naive. To spend so much time being abusive toward people who are opining about the situation does not make anyone more likely to sympathise. Quite the opposite[/quote] Bambi, I assure you that I do not approve of abusing others. We can all have difference of opinion but should respect others right to express their point of view. Those who abuse others only end up doing damage to their own side.
Bambi wrote:
Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.
I agree. But given the contempt and abusiveness of those council employees that choose to come here spitting venom at everyone, it's easy to see why that respect is not forthcoming. The whole point of the strike is to cause trouble for everyone - yes it is, no point denying it - in order to draw attention to their concerns. Nothing innately wrong with that, that's their entitlement, regardless of how anyone else feels about it. But if they do that and simultaneously expect sympathy from the very people they're causing problems for, they're profoundly naive. To spend so much time being abusive toward people who are opining about the situation does not make anyone more likely to sympathise. Quite the opposite
Bambi, I assure you that I do not approve of abusing others. We can all have difference of opinion but should respect others right to express their point of view. Those who abuse others only end up doing damage to their own side.
Posted by: Wewullywinky on 3:17pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Now they're back sack them for disrupting public service.
Now they're back sack them for disrupting public service.
Posted by: Bambi on 3:22pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.[/quote] I agree. But given the contempt and abusiveness of those council employees that choose to come here spitting venom at everyone, it's easy to see why that respect is not forthcoming. The whole point of the strike is to cause trouble for everyone - yes it is, no point denying it - in order to draw attention to their concerns. Nothing innately wrong with that, that's their entitlement, regardless of how anyone else feels about it. But if they do that and simultaneously expect sympathy from the very people they're causing problems for, they're profoundly naive. To spend so much time being abusive toward people who are opining about the situation does not make anyone more likely to sympathise. Quite the opposite[/quote] Bambi, I assure you that I do not approve of abusing others. We can all have difference of opinion but should respect others right to express their point of view. Those who abuse others only end up doing damage to their own side.[/quote] Please don't misunderstand me! That wasn't a pop at you.
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Bambi wrote:
Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.
I agree. But given the contempt and abusiveness of those council employees that choose to come here spitting venom at everyone, it's easy to see why that respect is not forthcoming. The whole point of the strike is to cause trouble for everyone - yes it is, no point denying it - in order to draw attention to their concerns. Nothing innately wrong with that, that's their entitlement, regardless of how anyone else feels about it. But if they do that and simultaneously expect sympathy from the very people they're causing problems for, they're profoundly naive. To spend so much time being abusive toward people who are opining about the situation does not make anyone more likely to sympathise. Quite the opposite
Bambi, I assure you that I do not approve of abusing others. We can all have difference of opinion but should respect others right to express their point of view. Those who abuse others only end up doing damage to their own side.
Please don't misunderstand me! That wasn't a pop at you.
Posted by: Christoff on 3:25pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Christoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [bold]Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour\'s Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.[/bold] [/quote] [quote]Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community.[/quote] Love your political rants Paramjit but please don\'t tell me you actually believe people work for the council to do good work in the community. A job is a job is a job. If they were feeling so warm and cuddly about the community they wouldn\'t be bothered and the strike wouldn\'t have happened. Can I bring my bins round your gaff? ;-)[/quote] Yes I do believe that vast majority of these workers work very hard and do care about the communities. It is not only my belief but with experience of dealing with them I am fully aware of this fact. Obviously there may be some odd one who is not doing the job properly but overall most of them are worth every penny they get. Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum. They are not on strike for the fun of it, but they haven't got much of choice. Strange it may sound to you, but while I am critical of strike breakers, who in trade union language are known as 'Scabs', I think most of them are also dedicated workers. No please do not bring your bin to me! But you may consider sending it to Gordon Brown or Alistar Darling who are behind the policies creating problems. [/quote] [quote]But you may consider sending it to Gordon Brown[/quote]
At least if I deliver to the gross fat scot there should be plenty of room for a U Turn...
Boom Boom
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Christoff wrote: Paramjit Bahia wrote: Mine may be voice of minority on this site, but I fully support the union action. Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community. Offer of pay rise well below the current rate of inflation is in fact pay cut, so hardly surprising these workers are upset. It is amazing that only last night according to main news gas prices are expected to go up by up to 70% but nobody seem to be moaning about that. How on earth these workers are going to afford these bills?. So for them there is no choice but to fight their corner. Many are moaning about the Council tax, but do not appreciate the fact that special need assistants , dinner ladies and dust cart drivers do not set that. It is done by the Councillors and it is very high because this so called New Labour Government has kept on blindly following the Tory policy on local government finance. Why on earth these unions whose members are victims of New Labour\'s Thatcherite policies keep on financially bailing out this unofficial right wing of the Tory Party is difficult to understand. Stopping that could teach Bean Brown and his right wing cronies bit of sense.
Some of these workers are on such a low pay that they may even be better off on the dole. But they are still committed to doing useful work for the community.
Love your political rants Paramjit but please don\'t tell me you actually believe people work for the council to do good work in the community. A job is a job is a job. If they were feeling so warm and cuddly about the community they wouldn\'t be bothered and the strike wouldn\'t have happened. Can I bring my bins round your gaff? ;-)
Yes I do believe that vast majority of these workers work very hard and do care about the communities. It is not only my belief but with experience of dealing with them I am fully aware of this fact. Obviously there may be some odd one who is not doing the job properly but overall most of them are worth every penny they get. Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum. They are not on strike for the fun of it, but they haven't got much of choice. Strange it may sound to you, but while I am critical of strike breakers, who in trade union language are known as 'Scabs', I think most of them are also dedicated workers. No please do not bring your bin to me! But you may consider sending it to Gordon Brown or Alistar Darling who are behind the policies creating problems.
But you may consider sending it to Gordon Brown
At least if I deliver to the gross fat scot there should be plenty of room for a U Turn...
Boom Boom
Posted by: concerned, southampton on 3:38pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Joe Public[/bold] wrote:
I recall the USA air traffic controllers strike back in the 80s. The strike threatened to cripple that countries commerce, transportation system and create misery for many. Regan fired the lot and gave their jobs to others willing to do the work. Strikers are selfish. Get a grip. Dont like the pay? Get another job. No-one owes you a living. Be responsible. The public are your soft targets. Shame on you.[/quote] and just how much are you earning a year?
Joe Public wrote:
I recall the USA air traffic controllers strike back in the 80s. The strike threatened to cripple that countries commerce, transportation system and create misery for many. Regan fired the lot and gave their jobs to others willing to do the work. Strikers are selfish. Get a grip. Dont like the pay? Get another job. No-one owes you a living. Be responsible. The public are your soft targets. Shame on you.
and just how much are you earning a year?
Posted by: sotonian, southampton on 3:41pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Christoff[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Southampton Council Tax Payer[/bold] wrote: Apart from some dustbins not being emptied, did anyone notice any difference ?[/quote] no but the dustbins not being emptied is probably the biggest issue that impacts on people.I now have my bins full with my daughter's smelly nappies and will have to wait until next week. Bring on the rats and foxes. I wonder if we are allowed to fly tip in this scenario. If only I had an address for a damned binman.[/quote] you should use terry ones (reusable washable ones)
Christoff wrote:
Southampton Council Tax Payer wrote: Apart from some dustbins not being emptied, did anyone notice any difference ?
no but the dustbins not being emptied is probably the biggest issue that impacts on people.I now have my bins full with my daughter's smelly nappies and will have to wait until next week. Bring on the rats and foxes. I wonder if we are allowed to fly tip in this scenario. If only I had an address for a damned binman.
you should use terry ones (reusable washable ones)
Posted by: Neville Kneivel on 3:44pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]concerned[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Joe Public[/bold] wrote:
I recall the USA air traffic controllers strike back in the 80s. The strike threatened to cripple that countries commerce, transportation system and create misery for many. Regan fired the lot and gave their jobs to others willing to do the work. Strikers are selfish. Get a grip. Dont like the pay? Get another job. No-one owes you a living. Be responsible. The public are your soft targets. Shame on you.[/quote] and just how much are you earning a year?[/quote] And what relevance does that have? Is there an answer anyone could give to that, that you wouldn't twist around in some way to suit your own argument?
concerned wrote:
Joe Public wrote:
I recall the USA air traffic controllers strike back in the 80s. The strike threatened to cripple that countries commerce, transportation system and create misery for many. Regan fired the lot and gave their jobs to others willing to do the work. Strikers are selfish. Get a grip. Dont like the pay? Get another job. No-one owes you a living. Be responsible. The public are your soft targets. Shame on you.
and just how much are you earning a year?
And what relevance does that have? Is there an answer anyone could give to that, that you wouldn't twist around in some way to suit your own argument?
Posted by: General Malaise, Nearby on 3:44pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Just how democratically decided was this strike action.
I understand that the turnout for the vote was less than 25% of the members and only half of them voted for strike action - therefore the strike was called at the behest of 12.5% of the union membership !
Just to reiterate what a lot of people have already said - you know what you'll be paid when you take a job, if you don't like the pay take a different job. Everybody knows the general trend on pay rises, so again if you don't like that either, get another job.
Just how democratically decided was this strike action.
I understand that the turnout for the vote was less than 25% of the members and only half of them voted for strike action - therefore the strike was called at the behest of 12.5% of the union membership !
Just to reiterate what a lot of people have already said - you know what you'll be paid when you take a job, if you don't like the pay take a different job. Everybody knows the general trend on pay rises, so again if you don't like that either, get another job.
Posted by: Your a Scab, scabhampton on 3:54pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.[/quote]
I agree. But given the contempt and abusiveness of those council employees that choose to come here spitting venom at everyone, it\'s easy to see why that respect is not forthcoming.
The whole point of the strike is to cause trouble for everyone - yes it is, no point denying it - in order to draw attention to their concerns. Nothing innately wrong with that, that\'s their entitlement, regardless of how anyone else feels about it. But if they do that and simultaneously expect sympathy from the very people they\'re causing problems for, they\'re profoundly naive. To spend so much time being abusive toward people who are opining about the situation does not make anyone more likely to sympathise. Quite the opposite[/quote] Oxymoron alert
Go look at all the articles you have about this strike and see who's abusing who. You get me giving a little back and its all woe is me.
Just because i am a council worker does not mean i have to act any different than you, or does it mean because i am a public servant i must be payed a slave wage either.
Its very apparent long before i posted at the hostility to council workers, the said workers who do the jobs that you all take for granted and expect people to do for nothing. I have a family to support as well as everyone else.
As for cancil works, shut your cake hole, i have an opinion and i will express it.Funny how oil prices are sky high, shell drivers are on 36k and strike for a 14% pay rise and get it, non of you moan about that, just pick on the easy target who clean up your streets for 15k a year. You wonder why i am cheesed off.
Bambi wrote:
Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.
I agree. But given the contempt and abusiveness of those council employees that choose to come here spitting venom at everyone, it\'s easy to see why that respect is not forthcoming.
The whole point of the strike is to cause trouble for everyone - yes it is, no point denying it - in order to draw attention to their concerns. Nothing innately wrong with that, that\'s their entitlement, regardless of how anyone else feels about it. But if they do that and simultaneously expect sympathy from the very people they\'re causing problems for, they\'re profoundly naive. To spend so much time being abusive toward people who are opining about the situation does not make anyone more likely to sympathise. Quite the opposite
Oxymoron alert
Go look at all the articles you have about this strike and see who's abusing who. You get me giving a little back and its all woe is me.
Just because i am a council worker does not mean i have to act any different than you, or does it mean because i am a public servant i must be payed a slave wage either.
Its very apparent long before i posted at the hostility to council workers, the said workers who do the jobs that you all take for granted and expect people to do for nothing. I have a family to support as well as everyone else.
As for cancil works, shut your cake hole, i have an opinion and i will express it.Funny how oil prices are sky high, shell drivers are on 36k and strike for a 14% pay rise and get it, non of you moan about that, just pick on the easy target who clean up your streets for 15k a year. You wonder why i am cheesed off.
Posted by: Jeff McLean, Chandlers Ford on 3:55pm Fri 18 Jul 08
I am a shift worker, and I don't see what the relevance is. In Fords, shift workers do all the donkey work that the days wont do.
I am a shift worker, and I don't see what the relevance is. In Fords, shift workers do all the donkey work that the days wont do.
Posted by: Your a Scab, scabhampton on 3:58pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]General Malaise[/bold] wrote:
Just how democratically decided was this strike action.
I understand that the turnout for the vote was less than 25% of the members and only half of them voted for strike action - therefore the strike was called at the behest of 12.5% of the union membership !
Just to reiterate what a lot of people have already said - you know what you'll be paid when you take a job, if you don't like the pay take a different job. Everybody knows the general trend on pay rises, so again if you don't like that either, get another job.[/quote] Did union members get the democratic right to vote, the answer is yes. If they choose not too, tuff. They have no one to blame but them selves and democratic proses was served.
General Malaise wrote:
Just how democratically decided was this strike action.
I understand that the turnout for the vote was less than 25% of the members and only half of them voted for strike action - therefore the strike was called at the behest of 12.5% of the union membership !
Just to reiterate what a lot of people have already said - you know what you'll be paid when you take a job, if you don't like the pay take a different job. Everybody knows the general trend on pay rises, so again if you don't like that either, get another job.
Did union members get the democratic right to vote, the answer is yes. If they choose not too, tuff. They have no one to blame but them selves and democratic proses was served.
Posted by: Bambi on 4:01pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Your a Scab[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bambi[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.[/quote]
I agree. But given the contempt and abusiveness of those council employees that choose to come here spitting venom at everyone, it\'s easy to see why that respect is not forthcoming.
The whole point of the strike is to cause trouble for everyone - yes it is, no point denying it - in order to draw attention to their concerns. Nothing innately wrong with that, that\'s their entitlement, regardless of how anyone else feels about it. But if they do that and simultaneously expect sympathy from the very people they\'re causing problems for, they\'re profoundly naive. To spend so much time being abusive toward people who are opining about the situation does not make anyone more likely to sympathise. Quite the opposite[/quote] Oxymoron alert
Go look at all the articles you have about this strike and see who's abusing who. You get me giving a little back and its all woe is me.
Just because i am a council worker does not mean i have to act any different than you, or does it mean because i am a public servant i must be payed a slave wage either.
Its very apparent long before i posted at the hostility to council workers, the said workers who do the jobs that you all take for granted and expect people to do for nothing. I have a family to support as well as everyone else.
As for cancil works, shut your cake hole, i have an opinion and i will express it.Funny how oil prices are sky high, shell drivers are on 36k and strike for a 14% pay rise and get it, non of you moan about that, just pick on the easy target who clean up your streets for 15k a year. You wonder why i am cheesed off. [/quote] No, I don't wonder why you're cheesed off. I just wonder why you're completely unable to talk to anyone else without calling them names. Not very adult, really, now, is it? And, no, I won't shut my cakehole, and I fail to see what you're going to do about it
The Shell drivers hadn't had a pay rise in 15 years. Bit of a different situation, no? So you've got a family to feed? Bully for you. So do a lot of people. If you truly cared about them, you wouldn't be on strike, you'd be finding better-paid employment. Why should your family go without because you're too busy whining and moaning and throwing tantrums to do any work?
Your a Scab wrote:
Bambi wrote:
Local government employees deserve more respect than being expressed on this forum.
I agree. But given the contempt and abusiveness of those council employees that choose to come here spitting venom at everyone, it\'s easy to see why that respect is not forthcoming.
The whole point of the strike is to cause trouble for everyone - yes it is, no point denying it - in order to draw attention to their concerns. Nothing innately wrong with that, that\
