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Jan will mix it up against Stoke
FIRST team head coach Jan Poortvliet will field two different teams in Saints' final warm-up friendly against Stoke tonight.
The Dutchman will start with the team who began against West Ham on Friday, saying they deserve their chance again after the impressive display in the 2-2 draw at St Mary's.
He then plans to change the team for the second half, or after about an hour, to conserve his players' energy before the season opener at Cardiff on Saturday.
Kelvin Davis and Nathan Dyer will be among those given run-outs against the newly-promoted Premier League side tonight after recovering from recent injuries.
"I am going to start with the team from Friday and when they play 45 minutes or an hour then it's OK," Poortvliet said.
"With the team who played on Friday night, because they did well you say OK, why not?' - you stick with that team.
He added: "We had a game on Friday which was a tough game with a lot of energy and against Stoke we want to give a lot of energy also.
"But we will play two teams because the Championship is close and we have to keep a little bit of energy for the Saturday game."
For full story see today's Daily Echo.
8:00am Tuesday 5th August 2008
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CommentPosted by: FootyCred, OnThe Run on 8:59am Tue 5 Aug 08
I am really upset!! Just taken my dog for a walk, it is a lousy day, but I can't find anything negative to say about this article!! I am sure that the usual doom mongers will have their say? My expectations for tonight are to see a cagey, low risk, typical friendly. As long as we are ready for Saturday, I am happy (whoops, what will the moaners make of that!!). COYR.
I am really upset!! Just taken my dog for a walk, it is a lousy day, but I can't find anything negative to say about this article!! I am sure that the usual doom mongers will have their say? My expectations for tonight are to see a cagey, low risk, typical friendly. As long as we are ready for Saturday, I am happy (whoops, what will the moaners make of that!!). COYR.
Posted by: C-Boz, Soton on 9:14am Tue 5 Aug 08
My brother & his fiance is off to watch the game tonight
My brother & his fiance is off to watch the game tonight
Posted by: A Saints fan, who loves his football on 9:15am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]FootyCred[/bold] wrote:
I am really upset!! Just taken my dog for a walk, it is a lousy day, but I can't find anything negative to say about this article!! I am sure that the usual doom mongers will have their say? My expectations for tonight are to see a cagey, low risk, typical friendly. As long as we are ready for Saturday, I am happy (whoops, what will the moaners make of that!!). COYR.[/quote] This posting is meaningless tosh and I think it's author would try to pick a fight in an empty bar. He is just inviting people to have a moan. Well my moan is about people who come on this site to bait and wind up the Lowe loving and the Lowe hating ends of the fan base. I just wish they would all clear off. I don't give a toss about Lowe. Just let him get on with his job running the PLC and telling Wilde what to do. All I care about is the team and how they play and Jan is doing a good job so far but Saturday's game and the next half dozen or so will tell us how well he has done. I wish him well because I want the team to succeed and I want to enjoy my football as a Saints fan. So we don't want your excessive and unearned Lowe praise nor do we want your anti Lowe bile. We want Saints fans who are interested in football and how the team are doing.
FootyCred wrote:
I am really upset!! Just taken my dog for a walk, it is a lousy day, but I can't find anything negative to say about this article!! I am sure that the usual doom mongers will have their say? My expectations for tonight are to see a cagey, low risk, typical friendly. As long as we are ready for Saturday, I am happy (whoops, what will the moaners make of that!!). COYR.
This posting is meaningless tosh and I think it's author would try to pick a fight in an empty bar. He is just inviting people to have a moan. Well my moan is about people who come on this site to bait and wind up the Lowe loving and the Lowe hating ends of the fan base. I just wish they would all clear off. I don't give a toss about Lowe. Just let him get on with his job running the PLC and telling Wilde what to do. All I care about is the team and how they play and Jan is doing a good job so far but Saturday's game and the next half dozen or so will tell us how well he has done. I wish him well because I want the team to succeed and I want to enjoy my football as a Saints fan. So we don't want your excessive and unearned Lowe praise nor do we want your anti Lowe bile. We want Saints fans who are interested in football and how the team are doing.
Posted by: The Teacher, is always right. on 9:21am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]C-Boz[/bold] wrote:
My brother & his fiance is off to watch the game tonight[/quote] You are going to have to do better than this when you go to secondary school in September.
My brother [bold]and[/bold] his fiance [bold]are[/bold] off to watch the game tonight[bold].[/bold]
C-Boz wrote:
My brother & his fiance is off to watch the game tonight
You are going to have to do better than this when you go to secondary school in September.
My brother
and his fiance
are off to watch the game tonight
.
Posted by: Tiger, Winchester on 9:24am Tue 5 Aug 08
This is not a moan - just an observation. If Saints are playing a low key friendly with a split team - to avoid burn out and injury - why play at all. I am sure the other 11 friendlies should have been enough. Anyway my glass is 3/4 full. Come on you Reds.
This is not a moan - just an observation. If Saints are playing a low key friendly with a split team - to avoid burn out and injury - why play at all. I am sure the other 11 friendlies should have been enough. Anyway my glass is 3/4 full. Come on you Reds.
Posted by: Ex Pat Saint, Thailand on 9:25am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]FootyCred[/bold] wrote:
I am really upset!! Just taken my dog for a walk, it is a lousy day, but I can't find anything negative to say about this article!! I am sure that the usual doom mongers will have their say? My expectations for tonight are to see a cagey, low risk, typical friendly. As long as we are ready for Saturday, I am happy (whoops, what will the moaners make of that!!). COYR.[/quote] Your really upset, so am I. Apparantly Saints have released the team photo today, but I think they have got the negatives mixed up with the Acedemy team photo
FootyCred wrote:
I am really upset!! Just taken my dog for a walk, it is a lousy day, but I can't find anything negative to say about this article!! I am sure that the usual doom mongers will have their say? My expectations for tonight are to see a cagey, low risk, typical friendly. As long as we are ready for Saturday, I am happy (whoops, what will the moaners make of that!!). COYR.
Your really upset, so am I. Apparantly Saints have released the team photo today, but I think they have got the negatives mixed up with the Acedemy team photo
Posted by: FootyCred, OnReflection on 9:27am Tue 5 Aug 08
Whoops!! My previous post did not translate it's intended sarcasm in the way I intended. I am a 100% "Football Person" and visit this site on most days. All I want is a reasonable discussion on football matter, and not the constant moaners, either pro or anti Lowe et al. I will be at St Marys tonight to show my commitment to my team and it's management/staff, I like "A Saints Fan" only want my team to be sucessful and play good football. Foward in hope!
Whoops!! My previous post did not translate it's intended sarcasm in the way I intended. I am a 100% "Football Person" and visit this site on most days. All I want is a reasonable discussion on football matter, and not the constant moaners, either pro or anti Lowe et al. I will be at St Marys tonight to show my commitment to my team and it's management/staff, I like "A Saints Fan" only want my team to be sucessful and play good football. Foward in hope!
Posted by: SK8 8TR, Southampton on 9:28am Tue 5 Aug 08
Liverpool fans have been voted the most attractive in football with Portsmouth's blue army taking the dubious honour of worst looking. (The Mirror)
If they think the men are ugly they should see Portsmouth women. No Wonder both Sailor Sam and that idiot skate in the forest married Southampton girls.
Liverpool fans have been voted the most attractive in football with Portsmouth's blue army taking the dubious honour of worst looking. (The Mirror)
If they think the men are ugly they should see Portsmouth women. No Wonder both Sailor Sam and that idiot skate in the forest married Southampton girls.
Posted by: Tylenol, Your mum's house on 9:35am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]The Teacher[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]C-Boz[/bold] wrote: My brother & his fiance is off to watch the game tonight[/quote] You are going to have to do better than this when you go to secondary school in September. My brother [bold]and[/bold] his fiance [bold]are[/bold] off to watch the game tonight[bold].[/bold] [/quote] Leave him alone, he is just a kid! You bully!
The Teacher wrote:
C-Boz wrote: My brother & his fiance is off to watch the game tonight
You are going to have to do better than this when you go to secondary school in September. My brother and his fiance are off to watch the game tonight.
Leave him alone, he is just a kid! You bully!
Posted by: The Teacher, is always right on 9:49am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Tylenol[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The Teacher[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]C-Boz[/bold] wrote: My brother & his fiance is off to watch the game tonight[/quote] You are going to have to do better than this when you go to secondary school in September. My brother [bold]and[/bold] his fiance [bold]are[/bold] off to watch the game tonight[bold].[/bold] [/quote] Leave him alone, he is just a kid! You bully![/quote] Don't you dare talk to me in that way. You have obviously been mixing with the big boys again and picked up their bad ways. I shall be round to talk to your mother.
Tylenol wrote:
The Teacher wrote: C-Boz wrote: My brother & his fiance is off to watch the game tonight
You are going to have to do better than this when you go to secondary school in September. My brother and his fiance are off to watch the game tonight.
Leave him alone, he is just a kid! You bully!
Don't you dare talk to me in that way. You have obviously been mixing with the big boys again and picked up their bad ways. I shall be round to talk to your mother.
Posted by: qwerty on 9:55am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]FootyCred[/bold] wrote:
Whoops!! My previous post did not translate it's intended sarcasm in the way I intended. I am a 100% "Football Person" and visit this site on most days. All I want is a reasonable discussion on football matter, and not the constant moaners, either pro or anti Lowe et al. I will be at St Marys tonight to show my commitment to my team and it's management/staff, I like "A Saints Fan" only want my team to be sucessful and play good football. Foward in hope! [/quote] not your fault mate, there are a lot of doom merchants on here with no sense of humour at all. Most of whom only want to bait Lowe & co.
FootyCred wrote:
Whoops!! My previous post did not translate it's intended sarcasm in the way I intended. I am a 100% "Football Person" and visit this site on most days. All I want is a reasonable discussion on football matter, and not the constant moaners, either pro or anti Lowe et al. I will be at St Marys tonight to show my commitment to my team and it's management/staff, I like "A Saints Fan" only want my team to be sucessful and play good football. Foward in hope!
not your fault mate, there are a lot of doom merchants on here with no sense of humour at all. Most of whom only want to bait Lowe & co.
Posted by: realist on 10:03am Tue 5 Aug 08
[bold]bold[/bold] Liverpool fans have been voted the most attractive in football with Portsmouth's blue army taking the dubious honour of worst looking[bold]bold[/bold]
Pompey fans ugly? Nothing we didn't know there. All that inbreeding between pikeys and dole scroungers, what do you expect.
Mind you, the ugliest of them all is that horrible, bloated, red-faced g*t who likes the occasional bung they apparently employ as a manager. Can anyone remember his name?
Liverpool fans have been voted the most attractive in football with Portsmouth's blue army taking the dubious honour of worst looking
Pompey fans ugly? Nothing we didn't know there. All that inbreeding between pikeys and dole scroungers, what do you expect.
Mind you, the ugliest of them all is that horrible, bloated, red-faced g*t who likes the occasional bung they apparently employ as a manager. Can anyone remember his name?
Posted by: Jesus_02, Kingsland on 10:14am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]FootyCred[/bold] wrote:
Whoops!! My previous post did not translate it's intended sarcasm in the way I intended. I am a 100% "Football Person" and visit this site on most days. All I want is a reasonable discussion on football matter, and not the constant moaners, either pro or anti Lowe et al. I will be at St Marys tonight to show my commitment to my team and it's management/staff, I like "A Saints Fan" only want my team to be sucessful and play good football. Foward in hope! [/quote] HappyHappyHappyHappy
JoyJoyJoyJoyJoySplen
didSplendidSplendidS
plendidSplendid.
What a wonderful world, the sky is grey, the flower roads are the Garden of Eden, Saints are being run by a profiteering megalomaniac, we only stayed up by the skin of our teeth last year and now we have a weaker team this year.
I really cant see what there is to moan (and moan and moan and moan)and not like Lowe about.
FootyCred wrote:
Whoops!! My previous post did not translate it's intended sarcasm in the way I intended. I am a 100% "Football Person" and visit this site on most days. All I want is a reasonable discussion on football matter, and not the constant moaners, either pro or anti Lowe et al. I will be at St Marys tonight to show my commitment to my team and it's management/staff, I like "A Saints Fan" only want my team to be sucessful and play good football. Foward in hope!
HappyHappyHappyHappy
JoyJoyJoyJoyJoySplen
didSplendidSplendidS
plendidSplendid.
What a wonderful world, the sky is grey, the flower roads are the Garden of Eden, Saints are being run by a profiteering megalomaniac, we only stayed up by the skin of our teeth last year and now we have a weaker team this year.
I really cant see what there is to moan (and moan and moan and moan)and not like Lowe about.
Posted by: uiop, Undercover on 10:36am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]qwerty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]FootyCred[/bold] wrote: Whoops!! My previous post did not translate it's intended sarcasm in the way I intended. I am a 100% "Football Person" and visit this site on most days. All I want is a reasonable discussion on football matter, and not the constant moaners, either pro or anti Lowe et al. I will be at St Marys tonight to show my commitment to my team and it's management/staff, I like "A Saints Fan" only want my team to be sucessful and play good football. Foward in hope! [/quote] not your fault mate, there are a lot of doom merchants on here with no sense of humour at all. Most of whom only want to bait Lowe & co. [/quote] You are quite correct. I am part of a anti-Lowe conspiracy that aims to subvert RL's otherwise impeccable leadership by posting malicious (and badly spelt)posts on the daily echo website.
First we will start on Lowe, then move onto Wilde. Everyone knows Wilde is really in control because he never says anything.
Our agenda for bringing down the RL administration? Sheer anti-Loweness. Nothing more. We are jealous of his damaged cheek follicles that indicate his high (inter) breeding.
We are also jealous that he has a higher plane of understanding. Some people think that he is merely patronising. We understand that what he has is a gift.
The reason that I am posting this addition now is that I’m sick of the in fighting.
I’m off to do what a "proper fan does"
qwerty wrote:
FootyCred wrote: Whoops!! My previous post did not translate it's intended sarcasm in the way I intended. I am a 100% "Football Person" and visit this site on most days. All I want is a reasonable discussion on football matter, and not the constant moaners, either pro or anti Lowe et al. I will be at St Marys tonight to show my commitment to my team and it's management/staff, I like "A Saints Fan" only want my team to be sucessful and play good football. Foward in hope!
not your fault mate, there are a lot of doom merchants on here with no sense of humour at all. Most of whom only want to bait Lowe & co.
You are quite correct. I am part of a anti-Lowe conspiracy that aims to subvert RL's otherwise impeccable leadership by posting malicious (and badly spelt)posts on the daily echo website.
First we will start on Lowe, then move onto Wilde. Everyone knows Wilde is really in control because he never says anything.
Our agenda for bringing down the RL administration? Sheer anti-Loweness. Nothing more. We are jealous of his damaged cheek follicles that indicate his high (inter) breeding.
We are also jealous that he has a higher plane of understanding. Some people think that he is merely patronising. We understand that what he has is a gift.
The reason that I am posting this addition now is that I’m sick of the in fighting.
I’m off to do what a "proper fan does"
Posted by: saints, southampton on 10:51am Tue 5 Aug 08
if saints are to go anywere we need support form the fans if there are any true saints fans left. we have a big club and a very small fan base look at pompey the fans are 100% loyal are we NO because saints ground is never full so goes to show we are weak to let the likes of pompey who lets face it had nothing for 5-6 years win the fa cup we as a big club should be there with them fighting to win something so show some support and get behind the TEAM there the ones that do all the real work not mr lowe or any of the back room staff the more support we get the better chances we got to go somewere in life so come on you true saints fans and show the club what we are about and lets show all the other clubs what fans really are
if saints are to go anywere we need support form the fans if there are any true saints fans left. we have a big club and a very small fan base look at pompey the fans are 100% loyal are we NO because saints ground is never full so goes to show we are weak to let the likes of pompey who lets face it had nothing for 5-6 years win the fa cup we as a big club should be there with them fighting to win something so show some support and get behind the TEAM there the ones that do all the real work not mr lowe or any of the back room staff the more support we get the better chances we got to go somewere in life so come on you true saints fans and show the club what we are about and lets show all the other clubs what fans really are
Posted by: Concerned Teacher of English. on 10:55am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]saints[/bold] wrote:
if saints are to go anywere we need support form the fans if there are any true saints fans left. we have a big club and a very small fan base look at pompey the fans are 100% loyal are we NO because saints ground is never full so goes to show we are weak to let the likes of pompey who lets face it had nothing for 5-6 years win the fa cup we as a big club should be there with them fighting to win something so show some support and get behind the TEAM there the ones that do all the real work not mr lowe or any of the back room staff the more support we get the better chances we got to go somewere in life so come on you true saints fans and show the club what we are about and lets show all the other clubs what fans really are [/quote] [Insert where applicable] ...,,,!
saints wrote:
if saints are to go anywere we need support form the fans if there are any true saints fans left. we have a big club and a very small fan base look at pompey the fans are 100% loyal are we NO because saints ground is never full so goes to show we are weak to let the likes of pompey who lets face it had nothing for 5-6 years win the fa cup we as a big club should be there with them fighting to win something so show some support and get behind the TEAM there the ones that do all the real work not mr lowe or any of the back room staff the more support we get the better chances we got to go somewere in life so come on you true saints fans and show the club what we are about and lets show all the other clubs what fans really are
...,,,!
Posted by: come on and get behind the team, support the Saints on 11:01am Tue 5 Aug 08
The next person to post a pro or anti lowe comment is a skate.
The next person to post a pro or anti lowe comment is a skate.
Posted by: Tarquin, Top PR Agency on 11:07am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]come on and get behind the team[/bold] wrote:
The next person to post a pro or anti lowe comment is a skate.[/quote] Ansolutely let us all embrace each other as Saints fans together and forget the differences of our views. We must all be united behind the team.
come on and get behind the team wrote:
The next person to post a pro or anti lowe comment is a skate.
Ansolutely let us all embrace each other as Saints fans together and forget the differences of our views. We must all be united behind the team.
Posted by: *** on 11:12am Tue 5 Aug 08
Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you.
Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you.
Posted by: Bill on 11:16am Tue 5 Aug 08
What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that.
Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.
What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that.
Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.
Posted by: support the saints on 11:17am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]***[/bold] wrote:
Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you. [/quote] you out d""k head and take ya donkey with ya pompey boy COME ON YOU SAINTS
*** wrote:
Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you.
you out d""k head and take ya donkey with ya pompey boy COME ON YOU SAINTS
Posted by: ha ha ha on 11:18am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]***[/bold] wrote:
Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you. [/quote] ah gotcha, [bold]bold[/bold] you're [bold]bold[/bold] the skate
*** wrote:
Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you.
ah gotcha, you're the skate
Posted by: saints fans united, home on 11:26am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote:
What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that. Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.[/quote] very true we need full house everyweek 30.000 plus to make some money and maybe at the end of the season have some money to buy. come on you saints fans where are you lets show em we are not weak we can be a big club thats what whats needed big time COME ON YOU SAINTS
Bill wrote:
What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that. Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.
very true we need full house everyweek 30.000 plus to make some money and maybe at the end of the season have some money to buy. come on you saints fans where are you lets show em we are not weak we can be a big club thats what whats needed big time COME ON YOU SAINTS
Posted by: *** on 11:27am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]ha ha ha[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]***[/bold] wrote: Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you. [/quote] ah gotcha, [bold]bold[/bold] you're [bold]bold[/bold] the skate[/quote] No Im'e not just a SAINTS FAN that cares about the club.
ha ha ha wrote:
*** wrote: Lowe out and take the Dutch donkey with you.
ah gotcha, you're the skate
No Im'e not just a SAINTS FAN that cares about the club.
Posted by: Kdog, St. Marys on 11:56am Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]saints fans united[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote: What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that. Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.[/quote] very true we need full house everyweek 30.000 plus to make some money and maybe at the end of the season have some money to buy. come on you saints fans where are you lets show em we are not weak we can be a big club thats what whats needed big time COME ON YOU SAINTS [/quote] I was a season ticket holder for 25 unbroken years. I cannot continue to support my club whilst Lowe and Wilde is in charge. I blame only Lowe for our demise from the Premiership and our current financial status.
Can anyone show me an example where the head of a PLC has failed to bring the desired results, been sacked, only to be allowed back after a couple of years with open arms to "save us", just because the next Chairman failed to turn around the fortunes of company. The rot was started by Lowe. He is a business man that self confessed to know nothing about football. That was apparent in his constant poor decision making, costing us relegation. He was shown a constant determination to have his fingers on every single pulse of the club, making all the decisions, signings etc. But he knows nothing about football. Gray and Wigley anyone?
By supporting Saints, you are showing faith and support in the people who are entrusted to run our club. Unfortunately you cannot separate the two, as these people are being paid to make decisions that have and will effect our future. I have no faith or trust in Lowe so cannot morally support my club until he has gone for good.
Ask yourself, a season ticket holder for 25 years making this stance!! How many other supporters feel the same way. That is why we will not fill the stadium and will continue to struggle financial with Lowe incharge.
All the youngsters we are playing this season will just be groomed for the next sell to a bigger club.
During the Branfoot era, the only way we managed to get him out before he destroyed the club was to boycott spending money with the club and attending matches. As much as it hurts me, Im sticking to my decision until Lowe goes. Lowe out, Lowe out.
saints fans united wrote:
Bill wrote: What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that. Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.
very true we need full house everyweek 30.000 plus to make some money and maybe at the end of the season have some money to buy. come on you saints fans where are you lets show em we are not weak we can be a big club thats what whats needed big time COME ON YOU SAINTS
I was a season ticket holder for 25 unbroken years. I cannot continue to support my club whilst Lowe and Wilde is in charge. I blame only Lowe for our demise from the Premiership and our current financial status.
Can anyone show me an example where the head of a PLC has failed to bring the desired results, been sacked, only to be allowed back after a couple of years with open arms to "save us", just because the next Chairman failed to turn around the fortunes of company. The rot was started by Lowe. He is a business man that self confessed to know nothing about football. That was apparent in his constant poor decision making, costing us relegation. He was shown a constant determination to have his fingers on every single pulse of the club, making all the decisions, signings etc. But he knows nothing about football. Gray and Wigley anyone?
By supporting Saints, you are showing faith and support in the people who are entrusted to run our club. Unfortunately you cannot separate the two, as these people are being paid to make decisions that have and will effect our future. I have no faith or trust in Lowe so cannot morally support my club until he has gone for good.
Ask yourself, a season ticket holder for 25 years making this stance!! How many other supporters feel the same way. That is why we will not fill the stadium and will continue to struggle financial with Lowe incharge.
All the youngsters we are playing this season will just be groomed for the next sell to a bigger club.
During the Branfoot era, the only way we managed to get him out before he destroyed the club was to boycott spending money with the club and attending matches. As much as it hurts me, Im sticking to my decision until Lowe goes. Lowe out, Lowe out.
Posted by: alan on 12:04pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]A Saints fan[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]FootyCred[/bold] wrote: I am really upset!! Just taken my dog for a walk, it is a lousy day, but I can't find anything negative to say about this article!! I am sure that the usual doom mongers will have their say? My expectations for tonight are to see a cagey, low risk, typical friendly. As long as we are ready for Saturday, I am happy (whoops, what will the moaners make of that!!). COYR.[/quote] This posting is meaningless tosh and I think it's author would try to pick a fight in an empty bar. He is just inviting people to have a moan. Well my moan is about people who come on this site to bait and wind up the Lowe loving and the Lowe hating ends of the fan base. I just wish they would all clear off. I don't give a toss about Lowe. Just let him get on with his job running the PLC and telling Wilde what to do. All I care about is the team and how they play and Jan is doing a good job so far but Saturday's game and the next half dozen or so will tell us how well he has done. I wish him well because I want the team to succeed and I want to enjoy my football as a Saints fan. So we don't want your excessive and unearned Lowe praise nor do we want your anti Lowe bile. We want Saints fans who are interested in football and how the team are doing.[/quote] I think if you read the post again - carefully - you will see that you are saying the same pretty much the same thing. Obviously the ironic humour was lost.
A Saints fan wrote:
FootyCred wrote: I am really upset!! Just taken my dog for a walk, it is a lousy day, but I can't find anything negative to say about this article!! I am sure that the usual doom mongers will have their say? My expectations for tonight are to see a cagey, low risk, typical friendly. As long as we are ready for Saturday, I am happy (whoops, what will the moaners make of that!!). COYR.
This posting is meaningless tosh and I think it's author would try to pick a fight in an empty bar. He is just inviting people to have a moan. Well my moan is about people who come on this site to bait and wind up the Lowe loving and the Lowe hating ends of the fan base. I just wish they would all clear off. I don't give a toss about Lowe. Just let him get on with his job running the PLC and telling Wilde what to do. All I care about is the team and how they play and Jan is doing a good job so far but Saturday's game and the next half dozen or so will tell us how well he has done. I wish him well because I want the team to succeed and I want to enjoy my football as a Saints fan. So we don't want your excessive and unearned Lowe praise nor do we want your anti Lowe bile. We want Saints fans who are interested in football and how the team are doing.
I think if you read the post again - carefully - you will see that you are saying the same pretty much the same thing. Obviously the ironic humour was lost.
Posted by: Jmaie, Thornhill on 12:11pm Tue 5 Aug 08
I was very suprised to see that they were only planning to open up the Kingsland for fans.
Surley this is only encouraging people not to go? I know it's a money saving tactic, suspecting that it won't be all that great, what with it being the last friendly before the first game of the proper season and the fact that it's against Stoke who don't exactly know how to play proper football. But especially after Friday's game I'm sure more people would want to go.
Apart from all that I'm looking forward to watching tonights game, if mainly to see how we do against a physical side. The preperation has been spot on so far I think.
I was very suprised to see that they were only planning to open up the Kingsland for fans.
Surley this is only encouraging people not to go? I know it's a money saving tactic, suspecting that it won't be all that great, what with it being the last friendly before the first game of the proper season and the fact that it's against Stoke who don't exactly know how to play proper football. But especially after Friday's game I'm sure more people would want to go.
Apart from all that I'm looking forward to watching tonights game, if mainly to see how we do against a physical side. The preperation has been spot on so far I think.
Posted by: Billy 2 Baps, Waiting for my Whistle on 12:53pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]FootyCred[/bold] wrote: Whoops!! My previous post did not translate it's intended sarcasm in the way I intended. I am a 100% "Football Person" and visit this site on most days. All I want is a reasonable discussion on football matter, and not the constant moaners, either pro or anti Lowe et al. I will be at St Marys tonight to show my commitment to my team and it's management/staff, I like "A Saints Fan" only want my team to be sucessful and play good football. Foward in hope! [/quote] HappyHappyHappyHappy JoyJoyJoyJoyJoySplen didSplendidSplendidS plendidSplendid. What a wonderful world, the sky is grey, the flower roads are the Garden of Eden, Saints are being run by a profiteering megalomaniac, we only stayed up by the skin of our teeth last year and now we have a weaker team this year. I really cant see what there is to moan (and moan and moan and moan)and not like Lowe about. [/quote] Did I read a very intersting post by you on the WHU game and how they were going to spank us last Friday? Still I guess it could of been someone else, there appears to be a couple of moaners on here of late.
Jesus_02 wrote:
FootyCred wrote: Whoops!! My previous post did not translate it's intended sarcasm in the way I intended. I am a 100% "Football Person" and visit this site on most days. All I want is a reasonable discussion on football matter, and not the constant moaners, either pro or anti Lowe et al. I will be at St Marys tonight to show my commitment to my team and it's management/staff, I like "A Saints Fan" only want my team to be sucessful and play good football. Foward in hope!
HappyHappyHappyHappy JoyJoyJoyJoyJoySplen didSplendidSplendidS plendidSplendid. What a wonderful world, the sky is grey, the flower roads are the Garden of Eden, Saints are being run by a profiteering megalomaniac, we only stayed up by the skin of our teeth last year and now we have a weaker team this year. I really cant see what there is to moan (and moan and moan and moan)and not like Lowe about.
Did I read a very intersting post by you on the WHU game and how they were going to spank us last Friday? Still I guess it could of been someone else, there appears to be a couple of moaners on here of late.
Posted by: Still Optimistic, Itchen Stand on 1:47pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Kdog[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]saints fans united[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote: What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that. Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.[/quote] very true we need full house everyweek 30.000 plus to make some money and maybe at the end of the season have some money to buy. come on you saints fans where are you lets show em we are not weak we can be a big club thats what whats needed big time COME ON YOU SAINTS [/quote] I was a season ticket holder for 25 unbroken years. I cannot continue to support my club whilst Lowe and Wilde is in charge. I blame only Lowe for our demise from the Premiership and our current financial status. Can anyone show me an example where the head of a PLC has failed to bring the desired results, been sacked, only to be allowed back after a couple of years with open arms to "save us", just because the next Chairman failed to turn around the fortunes of company. The rot was started by Lowe. He is a business man that self confessed to know nothing about football. That was apparent in his constant poor decision making, costing us relegation. He was shown a constant determination to have his fingers on every single pulse of the club, making all the decisions, signings etc. But he knows nothing about football. Gray and Wigley anyone? By supporting Saints, you are showing faith and support in the people who are entrusted to run our club. Unfortunately you cannot separate the two, as these people are being paid to make decisions that have and will effect our future. I have no faith or trust in Lowe so cannot morally support my club until he has gone for good. Ask yourself, a season ticket holder for 25 years making this stance!! How many other supporters feel the same way. That is why we will not fill the stadium and will continue to struggle financial with Lowe incharge. All the youngsters we are playing this season will just be groomed for the next sell to a bigger club. During the Branfoot era, the only way we managed to get him out before he destroyed the club was to boycott spending money with the club and attending matches. As much as it hurts me, Im sticking to my decision until Lowe goes. Lowe out, Lowe out.[/quote] No you are right I can't think of an example of a plc chairman coming back after a couple of years but maybe he has learnt from previous mistakes (fingers in the football pie specifically, although his decsion regarding the acadamy was a good one). There was no doubt that financially we were stable under his chairmanship, but being financially stable in the Premiership is a **** sight easier thing to do than it is in the Championship as Crouch has found out. The previous Chairman gambled on promotion with more players and higher wages for them and lost. Having just missed promotion the season before I can see and understand why he did it. I wish Lowe had gambled some more money when we were in Premiership. We never went and spent £5-6m on one good player, rather spreaded it over many average ones. We lost an opportunity after the Cup Final to kick on. We are where we are and I personally think financially, the hole we are in Lowe can get us out of. We have an equal chance of promotion as all the other teams, so bring on Cardiff, 3 points and the garden will be all rosy again (until the first loss!!)
Kdog wrote:
saints fans united wrote: Bill wrote: What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that. Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.
very true we need full house everyweek 30.000 plus to make some money and maybe at the end of the season have some money to buy. come on you saints fans where are you lets show em we are not weak we can be a big club thats what whats needed big time COME ON YOU SAINTS
I was a season ticket holder for 25 unbroken years. I cannot continue to support my club whilst Lowe and Wilde is in charge. I blame only Lowe for our demise from the Premiership and our current financial status. Can anyone show me an example where the head of a PLC has failed to bring the desired results, been sacked, only to be allowed back after a couple of years with open arms to "save us", just because the next Chairman failed to turn around the fortunes of company. The rot was started by Lowe. He is a business man that self confessed to know nothing about football. That was apparent in his constant poor decision making, costing us relegation. He was shown a constant determination to have his fingers on every single pulse of the club, making all the decisions, signings etc. But he knows nothing about football. Gray and Wigley anyone? By supporting Saints, you are showing faith and support in the people who are entrusted to run our club. Unfortunately you cannot separate the two, as these people are being paid to make decisions that have and will effect our future. I have no faith or trust in Lowe so cannot morally support my club until he has gone for good. Ask yourself, a season ticket holder for 25 years making this stance!! How many other supporters feel the same way. That is why we will not fill the stadium and will continue to struggle financial with Lowe incharge. All the youngsters we are playing this season will just be groomed for the next sell to a bigger club. During the Branfoot era, the only way we managed to get him out before he destroyed the club was to boycott spending money with the club and attending matches. As much as it hurts me, Im sticking to my decision until Lowe goes. Lowe out, Lowe out.
No you are right I can't think of an example of a plc chairman coming back after a couple of years but maybe he has learnt from previous mistakes (fingers in the football pie specifically, although his decsion regarding the acadamy was a good one). There was no doubt that financially we were stable under his chairmanship, but being financially stable in the Premiership is a **** sight easier thing to do than it is in the Championship as Crouch has found out. The previous Chairman gambled on promotion with more players and higher wages for them and lost. Having just missed promotion the season before I can see and understand why he did it. I wish Lowe had gambled some more money when we were in Premiership. We never went and spent £5-6m on one good player, rather spreaded it over many average ones. We lost an opportunity after the Cup Final to kick on. We are where we are and I personally think financially, the hole we are in Lowe can get us out of. We have an equal chance of promotion as all the other teams, so bring on Cardiff, 3 points and the garden will be all rosy again (until the first loss!!)
Posted by: jack, Southampton on 1:58pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Kdog[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]saints fans united[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote: What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that. Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.[/quote] very true we need full house everyweek 30.000 plus to make some money and maybe at the end of the season have some money to buy. come on you saints fans where are you lets show em we are not weak we can be a big club thats what whats needed big time COME ON YOU SAINTS [/quote] I was a season ticket holder for 25 unbroken years. I cannot continue to support my club whilst Lowe and Wilde is in charge. I blame only Lowe for our demise from the Premiership and our current financial status. Can anyone show me an example where the head of a PLC has failed to bring the desired results, been sacked, only to be allowed back after a couple of years with open arms to "save us", just because the next Chairman failed to turn around the fortunes of company. The rot was started by Lowe. He is a business man that self confessed to know nothing about football. That was apparent in his constant poor decision making, costing us relegation. He was shown a constant determination to have his fingers on every single pulse of the club, making all the decisions, signings etc. But he knows nothing about football. Gray and Wigley anyone? By supporting Saints, you are showing faith and support in the people who are entrusted to run our club. Unfortunately you cannot separate the two, as these people are being paid to make decisions that have and will effect our future. I have no faith or trust in Lowe so cannot morally support my club until he has gone for good. Ask yourself, a season ticket holder for 25 years making this stance!! How many other supporters feel the same way. That is why we will not fill the stadium and will continue to struggle financial with Lowe incharge. All the youngsters we are playing this season will just be groomed for the next sell to a bigger club. During the Branfoot era, the only way we managed to get him out before he destroyed the club was to boycott spending money with the club and attending matches. As much as it hurts me, Im sticking to my decision until Lowe goes. Lowe out, Lowe out.[/quote] When saints were in the fa cup final did u go and c it?
Kdog wrote:
saints fans united wrote: Bill wrote: What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that. Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.
very true we need full house everyweek 30.000 plus to make some money and maybe at the end of the season have some money to buy. come on you saints fans where are you lets show em we are not weak we can be a big club thats what whats needed big time COME ON YOU SAINTS
I was a season ticket holder for 25 unbroken years. I cannot continue to support my club whilst Lowe and Wilde is in charge. I blame only Lowe for our demise from the Premiership and our current financial status. Can anyone show me an example where the head of a PLC has failed to bring the desired results, been sacked, only to be allowed back after a couple of years with open arms to "save us", just because the next Chairman failed to turn around the fortunes of company. The rot was started by Lowe. He is a business man that self confessed to know nothing about football. That was apparent in his constant poor decision making, costing us relegation. He was shown a constant determination to have his fingers on every single pulse of the club, making all the decisions, signings etc. But he knows nothing about football. Gray and Wigley anyone? By supporting Saints, you are showing faith and support in the people who are entrusted to run our club. Unfortunately you cannot separate the two, as these people are being paid to make decisions that have and will effect our future. I have no faith or trust in Lowe so cannot morally support my club until he has gone for good. Ask yourself, a season ticket holder for 25 years making this stance!! How many other supporters feel the same way. That is why we will not fill the stadium and will continue to struggle financial with Lowe incharge. All the youngsters we are playing this season will just be groomed for the next sell to a bigger club. During the Branfoot era, the only way we managed to get him out before he destroyed the club was to boycott spending money with the club and attending matches. As much as it hurts me, Im sticking to my decision until Lowe goes. Lowe out, Lowe out.
When saints were in the fa cup final did u go and c it?
Posted by: Dean, Southampton on 2:08pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jack[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Kdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]saints fans united[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote: What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that. Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.[/quote] very true we need full house everyweek 30.000 plus to make some money and maybe at the end of the season have some money to buy. come on you saints fans where are you lets show em we are not weak we can be a big club thats what whats needed big time COME ON YOU SAINTS [/quote] I was a season ticket holder for 25 unbroken years. I cannot continue to support my club whilst Lowe and Wilde is in charge. I blame only Lowe for our demise from the Premiership and our current financial status. Can anyone show me an example where the head of a PLC has failed to bring the desired results, been sacked, only to be allowed back after a couple of years with open arms to "save us", just because the next Chairman failed to turn around the fortunes of company. The rot was started by Lowe. He is a business man that self confessed to know nothing about football. That was apparent in his constant poor decision making, costing us relegation. He was shown a constant determination to have his fingers on every single pulse of the club, making all the decisions, signings etc. But he knows nothing about football. Gray and Wigley anyone? By supporting Saints, you are showing faith and support in the people who are entrusted to run our club. Unfortunately you cannot separate the two, as these people are being paid to make decisions that have and will effect our future. I have no faith or trust in Lowe so cannot morally support my club until he has gone for good. Ask yourself, a season ticket holder for 25 years making this stance!! How many other supporters feel the same way. That is why we will not fill the stadium and will continue to struggle financial with Lowe incharge. All the youngsters we are playing this season will just be groomed for the next sell to a bigger club. During the Branfoot era, the only way we managed to get him out before he destroyed the club was to boycott spending money with the club and attending matches. As much as it hurts me, Im sticking to my decision until Lowe goes. Lowe out, Lowe out.[/quote] When saints were in the fa cup final did u go and c it?[/quote] Whats that got to do with anything?
jack wrote:
Kdog wrote: saints fans united wrote: Bill wrote: What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that. Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.
very true we need full house everyweek 30.000 plus to make some money and maybe at the end of the season have some money to buy. come on you saints fans where are you lets show em we are not weak we can be a big club thats what whats needed big time COME ON YOU SAINTS
I was a season ticket holder for 25 unbroken years. I cannot continue to support my club whilst Lowe and Wilde is in charge. I blame only Lowe for our demise from the Premiership and our current financial status. Can anyone show me an example where the head of a PLC has failed to bring the desired results, been sacked, only to be allowed back after a couple of years with open arms to "save us", just because the next Chairman failed to turn around the fortunes of company. The rot was started by Lowe. He is a business man that self confessed to know nothing about football. That was apparent in his constant poor decision making, costing us relegation. He was shown a constant determination to have his fingers on every single pulse of the club, making all the decisions, signings etc. But he knows nothing about football. Gray and Wigley anyone? By supporting Saints, you are showing faith and support in the people who are entrusted to run our club. Unfortunately you cannot separate the two, as these people are being paid to make decisions that have and will effect our future. I have no faith or trust in Lowe so cannot morally support my club until he has gone for good. Ask yourself, a season ticket holder for 25 years making this stance!! How many other supporters feel the same way. That is why we will not fill the stadium and will continue to struggle financial with Lowe incharge. All the youngsters we are playing this season will just be groomed for the next sell to a bigger club. During the Branfoot era, the only way we managed to get him out before he destroyed the club was to boycott spending money with the club and attending matches. As much as it hurts me, Im sticking to my decision until Lowe goes. Lowe out, Lowe out.
When saints were in the fa cup final did u go and c it?
Whats that got to do with anything?
Posted by: dodger, spain on 2:12pm Tue 5 Aug 08
Good win for Stoke tonight.To the Saints supporters,beware the thieves are about.S.F.C LOVES those type of players,goes to show the depths a once mighty team has dropped o.
Good win for Stoke tonight.To the Saints supporters,beware the thieves are about.S.F.C LOVES those type of players,goes to show the depths a once mighty team has dropped o.
Posted by: the vengeful cabbage on 2:14pm Tue 5 Aug 08
How is this going to help the team. I cant see any great benifit to this fiendly tonight at all, given the quotes coming from SMS i am wondering if this was a match JP wanted or if somebody at the club decided foolishly that we could rake in revenue for the club. It would have been better IMO to have played Fridays match against West Ham maybe had this match Sunday and then give the lads a week of low intensity training to let them be as ready as possible for Saturdays game.
How is this going to help the team. I cant see any great benifit to this fiendly tonight at all, given the quotes coming from SMS i am wondering if this was a match JP wanted or if somebody at the club decided foolishly that we could rake in revenue for the club. It would have been better IMO to have played Fridays match against West Ham maybe had this match Sunday and then give the lads a week of low intensity training to let them be as ready as possible for Saturdays game.
Posted by: Another Saints fan on 2:14pm Tue 5 Aug 08
I also support the saints but will do this from my house. I have not renewed my ST and will not do so until LOWE HAS GONE. Its hurts but what can we do.
I also support the saints but will do this from my house. I have not renewed my ST and will not do so until LOWE HAS GONE. Its hurts but what can we do.
Posted by: saint76, Romsey on 2:25pm Tue 5 Aug 08
Eveyday, it seems all I ever read on here is about Lowe. Rarely, though do I see any debate which focuses on the facts and doesn't get emotional.
So, lets have a go.
Lowe took us out of The Dell and into St Marys. Much as I liked The Dell, it had to happen although, ironically, it has probably cost us a lot of points over the years as teams are less intimidated by the proximity of the crowd.
We had some good years in The Premiership and ultimately in the FA Cup under Lowe (agreed, some dodgy ones also).
We finally got relegated. Was that Lowe's fault. I don't believe so. We had as good a squad as we had had in ages. We also had two major problems. Firstly, the Svensson injury. Maybe Lowe should have splashed out on a replacement. Seconldy, a manager who continued to play his son when he wasn't fit enough even to train, and who regularly failed to team Crouch with Phillips (who proved last year how good he still is). Basically, it was Redknap who took us down not Lowe.
Unfortunately, the crowd was woo'd by false promises from Wild about non-existent money and it is from Wilde's chairmanship that todays mess stems from.
Most supporters, like me, would appreciate a large injection of cash from somewhere but it is unreasonable for Lowe just to walk. He is entitled to a return on his investment just like any other other businessman in any other business.
I awate the abuse!
Eveyday, it seems all I ever read on here is about Lowe. Rarely, though do I see any debate which focuses on the facts and doesn't get emotional.
So, lets have a go.
Lowe took us out of The Dell and into St Marys. Much as I liked The Dell, it had to happen although, ironically, it has probably cost us a lot of points over the years as teams are less intimidated by the proximity of the crowd.
We had some good years in The Premiership and ultimately in the FA Cup under Lowe (agreed, some dodgy ones also).
We finally got relegated. Was that Lowe's fault. I don't believe so. We had as good a squad as we had had in ages. We also had two major problems. Firstly, the Svensson injury. Maybe Lowe should have splashed out on a replacement. Seconldy, a manager who continued to play his son when he wasn't fit enough even to train, and who regularly failed to team Crouch with Phillips (who proved last year how good he still is). Basically, it was Redknap who took us down not Lowe.
Unfortunately, the crowd was woo'd by false promises from Wild about non-existent money and it is from Wilde's chairmanship that todays mess stems from.
Most supporters, like me, would appreciate a large injection of cash from somewhere but it is unreasonable for Lowe just to walk. He is entitled to a return on his investment just like any other other businessman in any other business.
I awate the abuse!
Posted by: Tired of excuses, Saints 1947-til I die on 2:29pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Dean[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jack[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Kdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]saints fans united[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote: What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that. Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.[/quote] very true we need full house everyweek 30.000 plus to make some money and maybe at the end of the season have some money to buy. come on you saints fans where are you lets show em we are not weak we can be a big club thats what whats needed big time COME ON YOU SAINTS [/quote] I was a season ticket holder for 25 unbroken years. I cannot continue to support my club whilst Lowe and Wilde is in charge. I blame only Lowe for our demise from the Premiership and our current financial status. Can anyone show me an example where the head of a PLC has failed to bring the desired results, been sacked, only to be allowed back after a couple of years with open arms to "save us", just because the next Chairman failed to turn around the fortunes of company. The rot was started by Lowe. He is a business man that self confessed to know nothing about football. That was apparent in his constant poor decision making, costing us relegation. He was shown a constant determination to have his fingers on every single pulse of the club, making all the decisions, signings etc. But he knows nothing about football. Gray and Wigley anyone? By supporting Saints, you are showing faith and support in the people who are entrusted to run our club. Unfortunately you cannot separate the two, as these people are being paid to make decisions that have and will effect our future. I have no faith or trust in Lowe so cannot morally support my club until he has gone for good. Ask yourself, a season ticket holder for 25 years making this stance!! How many other supporters feel the same way. That is why we will not fill the stadium and will continue to struggle financial with Lowe incharge. All the youngsters we are playing this season will just be groomed for the next sell to a bigger club. During the Branfoot era, the only way we managed to get him out before he destroyed the club was to boycott spending money with the club and attending matches. As much as it hurts me, Im sticking to my decision until Lowe goes. Lowe out, Lowe out.[/quote] When saints were in the fa cup final did u go and c it?[/quote] Whats that got to do with anything?[/quote] Lowe was here then too.
The reason we are in financial difficulties is because we moved to a new stadium which was followed by relegation due to results on the pitch.
Far too many people blame everything that has gone wrong on one member of a board who sometimes made decisions against his wishes.
Is is so easy to criticise with the benefit of hindsight but I remember numerous people slagging off the appointment of Strachan, and also people applauding the appointment of Wigley.
Funny how quick they changed their minds, but then they didn't have to choose did they.
Also Sturrock could well of worked out if not for a few prima-donnas in the squad disrupting
things then buggering off at the first opportunity, and who knows what would have happened if Hoddle had been allowed to return.
If you do not want to watch Saints in the Championship then stay at home watching SKY but please stop piling all the blame on one man, who is doing his utmost to get us back to the Premiership, when no doubt those and many like you will soon find it in there hearts to forgive and forget.
Up the Saints!
Dean wrote:
jack wrote: Kdog wrote: saints fans united wrote: Bill wrote: What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that. Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.
very true we need full house everyweek 30.000 plus to make some money and maybe at the end of the season have some money to buy. come on you saints fans where are you lets show em we are not weak we can be a big club thats what whats needed big time COME ON YOU SAINTS
I was a season ticket holder for 25 unbroken years. I cannot continue to support my club whilst Lowe and Wilde is in charge. I blame only Lowe for our demise from the Premiership and our current financial status. Can anyone show me an example where the head of a PLC has failed to bring the desired results, been sacked, only to be allowed back after a couple of years with open arms to "save us", just because the next Chairman failed to turn around the fortunes of company. The rot was started by Lowe. He is a business man that self confessed to know nothing about football. That was apparent in his constant poor decision making, costing us relegation. He was shown a constant determination to have his fingers on every single pulse of the club, making all the decisions, signings etc. But he knows nothing about football. Gray and Wigley anyone? By supporting Saints, you are showing faith and support in the people who are entrusted to run our club. Unfortunately you cannot separate the two, as these people are being paid to make decisions that have and will effect our future. I have no faith or trust in Lowe so cannot morally support my club until he has gone for good. Ask yourself, a season ticket holder for 25 years making this stance!! How many other supporters feel the same way. That is why we will not fill the stadium and will continue to struggle financial with Lowe incharge. All the youngsters we are playing this season will just be groomed for the next sell to a bigger club. During the Branfoot era, the only way we managed to get him out before he destroyed the club was to boycott spending money with the club and attending matches. As much as it hurts me, Im sticking to my decision until Lowe goes. Lowe out, Lowe out.
When saints were in the fa cup final did u go and c it?
Whats that got to do with anything?
Lowe was here then too.
The reason we are in financial difficulties is because we moved to a new stadium which was followed by relegation due to results on the pitch.
Far too many people blame everything that has gone wrong on one member of a board who sometimes made decisions against his wishes.
Is is so easy to criticise with the benefit of hindsight but I remember numerous people slagging off the appointment of Strachan, and also people applauding the appointment of Wigley.
Funny how quick they changed their minds, but then they didn't have to choose did they.
Also Sturrock could well of worked out if not for a few prima-donnas in the squad disrupting
things then buggering off at the first opportunity, and who knows what would have happened if Hoddle had been allowed to return.
If you do not want to watch Saints in the Championship then stay at home watching SKY but please stop piling all the blame on one man, who is doing his utmost to get us back to the Premiership, when no doubt those and many like you will soon find it in there hearts to forgive and forget.
Up the Saints!
Posted by: Tired of excuses, Saints 1947-til I die on 2:33pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]saint76[/bold] wrote:
Eveyday, it seems all I ever read on here is about Lowe. Rarely, though do I see any debate which focuses on the facts and doesn't get emotional. So, lets have a go. Lowe took us out of The Dell and into St Marys. Much as I liked The Dell, it had to happen although, ironically, it has probably cost us a lot of points over the years as teams are less intimidated by the proximity of the crowd. We had some good years in The Premiership and ultimately in the FA Cup under Lowe (agreed, some dodgy ones also). We finally got relegated. Was that Lowe's fault. I don't believe so. We had as good a squad as we had had in ages. We also had two major problems. Firstly, the Svensson injury. Maybe Lowe should have splashed out on a replacement. Seconldy, a manager who continued to play his son when he wasn't fit enough even to train, and who regularly failed to team Crouch with Phillips (who proved last year how good he still is). Basically, it was Redknap who took us down not Lowe. Unfortunately, the crowd was woo'd by false promises from Wild about non-existent money and it is from Wilde's chairmanship that todays mess stems from. Most supporters, like me, would appreciate a large injection of cash from somewhere but it is unreasonable for Lowe just to walk. He is entitled to a return on his investment just like any other other businessman in any other business. I awate the abuse! [/quote] Excellent points well made.
I am so glad the internet was not around in 1973 when Lawrie Mac took over Teds mid-table side at Christmas and got them relegated.
Both Ted and Lawrie would have been hounded out of the club by a similar witch-hunt.
Up the Saints!
saint76 wrote:
Eveyday, it seems all I ever read on here is about Lowe. Rarely, though do I see any debate which focuses on the facts and doesn't get emotional. So, lets have a go. Lowe took us out of The Dell and into St Marys. Much as I liked The Dell, it had to happen although, ironically, it has probably cost us a lot of points over the years as teams are less intimidated by the proximity of the crowd. We had some good years in The Premiership and ultimately in the FA Cup under Lowe (agreed, some dodgy ones also). We finally got relegated. Was that Lowe's fault. I don't believe so. We had as good a squad as we had had in ages. We also had two major problems. Firstly, the Svensson injury. Maybe Lowe should have splashed out on a replacement. Seconldy, a manager who continued to play his son when he wasn't fit enough even to train, and who regularly failed to team Crouch with Phillips (who proved last year how good he still is). Basically, it was Redknap who took us down not Lowe. Unfortunately, the crowd was woo'd by false promises from Wild about non-existent money and it is from Wilde's chairmanship that todays mess stems from. Most supporters, like me, would appreciate a large injection of cash from somewhere but it is unreasonable for Lowe just to walk. He is entitled to a return on his investment just like any other other businessman in any other business. I awate the abuse!
Excellent points well made.
I am so glad the internet was not around in 1973 when Lawrie Mac took over Teds mid-table side at Christmas and got them relegated.
Both Ted and Lawrie would have been hounded out of the club by a similar witch-hunt.
Up the Saints!
Posted by: Graham, Herts on 2:49pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]saint76[/bold] wrote:
Eveyday, it seems all I ever read on here is about Lowe. Rarely, though do I see any debate which focuses on the facts and doesn't get emotional. So, lets have a go. Lowe took us out of The Dell and into St Marys. Much as I liked The Dell, it had to happen although, ironically, it has probably cost us a lot of points over the years as teams are less intimidated by the proximity of the crowd. We had some good years in The Premiership and ultimately in the FA Cup under Lowe (agreed, some dodgy ones also). We finally got relegated. Was that Lowe's fault. I don't believe so. We had as good a squad as we had had in ages. We also had two major problems. Firstly, the Svensson injury. Maybe Lowe should have splashed out on a replacement. Seconldy, a manager who continued to play his son when he wasn't fit enough even to train, and who regularly failed to team Crouch with Phillips (who proved last year how good he still is). Basically, it was Redknap who took us down not Lowe. Unfortunately, the crowd was woo'd by false promises from Wild about non-existent money and it is from Wilde's chairmanship that todays mess stems from. Most supporters, like me, would appreciate a large injection of cash from somewhere but it is unreasonable for Lowe just to walk. He is entitled to a return on his investment just like any other other businessman in any other business. I awate the abuse! [/quote] No abuse my friend, for what appears to be a lucud critique of events.
I always say that I have 500 shares because it puts me in perspective to Lowe who I read somewher has 1.5m (I have no idea if that is accurate).
Unfortunately, shareholders are not entitled to a return on their investment - it's an absolute gamble.
Why it's important to mention themm is that Lowe's (and my) best chance of a return on his investment is to get the Saints back into the Premiership as soon as possible.
I also agree with you about the time when Wild was in charge and I think that Lowe has made some good steps in the salvation of the Saints.
I also believe that, BROADLY SPEAKING, the Boardroom issues are peripheral to the Saints position today. When you look back at Managers since WGS left I think that they have ALL been fairly poor to disastorous for the Club.
Add the attitude, heart and spiririt of the players and you have a recipe for disaster. And sure enough the Club has been in meltdown for the last 3/4 years.
Looking forward, never backwards, we do now appear to have something rumbling down at St. Mary's that looks as if we are at the beginning of an upturn.
Nothing to do with Lowe, good or bad, but just a part of the cycle of football maybe.
Alternatively has got to grips with the Club and maybe, just maybe, has picked on a reasonable Manager and a few good young players coming into their time.
I don't know.
I do know that the Club will die unless it gets more support and I repeat earlier posts that it an absolute tragedy that people would rather stay away than give any appearance of support to Lowe.
I now live 15 miles from Luton and I observe my local footie friends watching their Club dying.
Death is not optional - it comes to us all and every fan who stays away - HOWEVER RIGHT AND PROPER his reason is killing the Club.
On a lighter note, I'm going to fill up my "Olympic sized" swimming pool and hope the sun comes out tomorrow.
Up the Saints
Look forward, not back.
Lowe for Prime Minister (only joking)
saint76 wrote:
Eveyday, it seems all I ever read on here is about Lowe. Rarely, though do I see any debate which focuses on the facts and doesn't get emotional. So, lets have a go. Lowe took us out of The Dell and into St Marys. Much as I liked The Dell, it had to happen although, ironically, it has probably cost us a lot of points over the years as teams are less intimidated by the proximity of the crowd. We had some good years in The Premiership and ultimately in the FA Cup under Lowe (agreed, some dodgy ones also). We finally got relegated. Was that Lowe's fault. I don't believe so. We had as good a squad as we had had in ages. We also had two major problems. Firstly, the Svensson injury. Maybe Lowe should have splashed out on a replacement. Seconldy, a manager who continued to play his son when he wasn't fit enough even to train, and who regularly failed to team Crouch with Phillips (who proved last year how good he still is). Basically, it was Redknap who took us down not Lowe. Unfortunately, the crowd was woo'd by false promises from Wild about non-existent money and it is from Wilde's chairmanship that todays mess stems from. Most supporters, like me, would appreciate a large injection of cash from somewhere but it is unreasonable for Lowe just to walk. He is entitled to a return on his investment just like any other other businessman in any other business. I awate the abuse!
No abuse my friend, for what appears to be a lucud critique of events.
I always say that I have 500 shares because it puts me in perspective to Lowe who I read somewher has 1.5m (I have no idea if that is accurate).
Unfortunately, shareholders are not entitled to a return on their investment - it's an absolute gamble.
Why it's important to mention themm is that Lowe's (and my) best chance of a return on his investment is to get the Saints back into the Premiership as soon as possible.
I also agree with you about the time when Wild was in charge and I think that Lowe has made some good steps in the salvation of the Saints.
I also believe that, BROADLY SPEAKING, the Boardroom issues are peripheral to the Saints position today. When you look back at Managers since WGS left I think that they have ALL been fairly poor to disastorous for the Club.
Add the attitude, heart and spiririt of the players and you have a recipe for disaster. And sure enough the Club has been in meltdown for the last 3/4 years.
Looking forward, never backwards, we do now appear to have something rumbling down at St. Mary's that looks as if we are at the beginning of an upturn.
Nothing to do with Lowe, good or bad, but just a part of the cycle of football maybe.
Alternatively has got to grips with the Club and maybe, just maybe, has picked on a reasonable Manager and a few good young players coming into their time.
I don't know.
I do know that the Club will die unless it gets more support and I repeat earlier posts that it an absolute tragedy that people would rather stay away than give any appearance of support to Lowe.
I now live 15 miles from Luton and I observe my local footie friends watching their Club dying.
Death is not optional - it comes to us all and every fan who stays away - HOWEVER RIGHT AND PROPER his reason is killing the Club.
On a lighter note, I'm going to fill up my "Olympic sized" swimming pool and hope the sun comes out tomorrow.
Up the Saints
Look forward, not back.
Lowe for Prime Minister (only joking)
Posted by: saint76, romsey on 2:58pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Graham[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]saint76[/bold] wrote:
Eveyday, it seems all I ever read on here is about Lowe. Rarely, though do I see any debate which focuses on the facts and doesn\'t get emotional. So, lets have a go. Lowe took us out of The Dell and into St Marys. Much as I liked The Dell, it had to happen although, ironically, it has probably cost us a lot of points over the years as teams are less intimidated by the proximity of the crowd. We had some good years in The Premiership and ultimately in the FA Cup under Lowe (agreed, some dodgy ones also). We finally got relegated. Was that Lowe\'s fault. I don\'t believe so. We had as good a squad as we had had in ages. We also had two major problems. Firstly, the Svensson injury. Maybe Lowe should have splashed out on a replacement. Seconldy, a manager who continued to play his son when he wasn\'t fit enough even to train, and who regularly failed to team Crouch with Phillips (who proved last year how good he still is). Basically, it was Redknap who took us down not Lowe. Unfortunately, the crowd was woo\'d by false promises from Wild about non-existent money and it is from Wilde\'s chairmanship that todays mess stems from. Most supporters, like me, would appreciate a large injection of cash from somewhere but it is unreasonable for Lowe just to walk. He is entitled to a return on his investment just like any other other businessman in any other business. I awate the abuse! [/quote] No abuse my friend, for what appears to be a lucud critique of events.
I always say that I have 500 shares because it puts me in perspective to Lowe who I read somewher has 1.5m (I have no idea if that is accurate).
Unfortunately, shareholders are not entitled to a return on their investment - it\'s an absolute gamble.
Why it\'s important to mention themm is that Lowe\'s (and my) best chance of a return on his investment is to get the Saints back into the Premiership as soon as possible.
I also agree with you about the time when Wild was in charge and I think that Lowe has made some good steps in the salvation of the Saints.
I also believe that, BROADLY SPEAKING, the Boardroom issues are peripheral to the Saints position today. When you look back at Managers since WGS left I think that they have ALL been fairly poor to disastorous for the Club.
Add the attitude, heart and spiririt of the players and you have a recipe for disaster. And sure enough the Club has been in meltdown for the last 3/4 years.
Looking forward, never backwards, we do now appear to have something rumbling down at St. Mary\'s that looks as if we are at the beginning of an upturn.
Nothing to do with Lowe, good or bad, but just a part of the cycle of football maybe.
Alternatively has got to grips with the Club and maybe, just maybe, has picked on a reasonable Manager and a few good young players coming into their time.
I don\'t know.
I do know that the Club will die unless it gets more support and I repeat earlier posts that it an absolute tragedy that people would rather stay away than give any appearance of support to Lowe.
I now live 15 miles from Luton and I observe my local footie friends watching their Club dying.
Death is not optional - it comes to us all and every fan who stays away - HOWEVER RIGHT AND PROPER his reason is killing the Club.
On a lighter note, I\'m going to fill up my \"Olympic sized\" swimming pool and hope the sun comes out tomorrow.
Up the Saints
Look forward, not back.
Lowe for Prime Minister (only joking)[/quote] Graham
You are right, people staying away will eventually kill a club. The other thing is imprudent spending like Leeds.
You are also right that if this current 'gamble' succeeds it will have little to do with Lowe. He is cutting costs, which is right and proper. The fact that evidence suggests we might actually end up with a decent team is more luck than judgement. Although you could argue that his investment in the acadamy showed wonderful forsight!
Graham wrote:
saint76 wrote:
Eveyday, it seems all I ever read on here is about Lowe. Rarely, though do I see any debate which focuses on the facts and doesn\'t get emotional. So, lets have a go. Lowe took us out of The Dell and into St Marys. Much as I liked The Dell, it had to happen although, ironically, it has probably cost us a lot of points over the years as teams are less intimidated by the proximity of the crowd. We had some good years in The Premiership and ultimately in the FA Cup under Lowe (agreed, some dodgy ones also). We finally got relegated. Was that Lowe\'s fault. I don\'t believe so. We had as good a squad as we had had in ages. We also had two major problems. Firstly, the Svensson injury. Maybe Lowe should have splashed out on a replacement. Seconldy, a manager who continued to play his son when he wasn\'t fit enough even to train, and who regularly failed to team Crouch with Phillips (who proved last year how good he still is). Basically, it was Redknap who took us down not Lowe. Unfortunately, the crowd was woo\'d by false promises from Wild about non-existent money and it is from Wilde\'s chairmanship that todays mess stems from. Most supporters, like me, would appreciate a large injection of cash from somewhere but it is unreasonable for Lowe just to walk. He is entitled to a return on his investment just like any other other businessman in any other business. I awate the abuse!
No abuse my friend, for what appears to be a lucud critique of events.
I always say that I have 500 shares because it puts me in perspective to Lowe who I read somewher has 1.5m (I have no idea if that is accurate).
Unfortunately, shareholders are not entitled to a return on their investment - it\'s an absolute gamble.
Why it\'s important to mention themm is that Lowe\'s (and my) best chance of a return on his investment is to get the Saints back into the Premiership as soon as possible.
I also agree with you about the time when Wild was in charge and I think that Lowe has made some good steps in the salvation of the Saints.
I also believe that, BROADLY SPEAKING, the Boardroom issues are peripheral to the Saints position today. When you look back at Managers since WGS left I think that they have ALL been fairly poor to disastorous for the Club.
Add the attitude, heart and spiririt of the players and you have a recipe for disaster. And sure enough the Club has been in meltdown for the last 3/4 years.
Looking forward, never backwards, we do now appear to have something rumbling down at St. Mary\'s that looks as if we are at the beginning of an upturn.
Nothing to do with Lowe, good or bad, but just a part of the cycle of football maybe.
Alternatively has got to grips with the Club and maybe, just maybe, has picked on a reasonable Manager and a few good young players coming into their time.
I don\'t know.
I do know that the Club will die unless it gets more support and I repeat earlier posts that it an absolute tragedy that people would rather stay away than give any appearance of support to Lowe.
I now live 15 miles from Luton and I observe my local footie friends watching their Club dying.
Death is not optional - it comes to us all and every fan who stays away - HOWEVER RIGHT AND PROPER his reason is killing the Club.
On a lighter note, I\'m going to fill up my \"Olympic sized\" swimming pool and hope the sun comes out tomorrow.
Up the Saints
Look forward, not back.
Lowe for Prime Minister (only joking)
Graham
You are right, people staying away will eventually kill a club. The other thing is imprudent spending like Leeds.
You are also right that if this current 'gamble' succeeds it will have little to do with Lowe. He is cutting costs, which is right and proper. The fact that evidence suggests we might actually end up with a decent team is more luck than judgement. Although you could argue that his investment in the acadamy showed wonderful forsight!
Posted by: Ray, Eastleigh on 3:14pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]The Teacher[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]C-Boz[/bold] wrote: My brother & his fiance is off to watch the game tonight[/quote] You are going to have to do better than this when you go to secondary school in September. My brother [bold]and[/bold] his fiance [bold]are[/bold] off to watch the game tonight[bold].[/bold] [/quote] As we are picking up spelling and grammar you failed to spot that it should be fiancee ;-)
The Teacher wrote:
C-Boz wrote: My brother & his fiance is off to watch the game tonight
You are going to have to do better than this when you go to secondary school in September. My brother and his fiance are off to watch the game tonight.
As we are picking up spelling and grammar you failed to spot that it should be fiancee ;-)
Posted by: upset Fan on 3:16pm Tue 5 Aug 08
Its not the [bold]fans killing[/bold] the club [bold]its LOWE[/bold] , if he left we would all be back. We are staying away because of LOWE, what other way have we got to show our distrust of this man and his smug methods.
Its not the
fans killing the club
its LOWE , if he left we would all be back. We are staying away because of LOWE, what other way have we got to show our distrust of this man and his smug methods.
Posted by: saint76, 199-821 on 3:30pm Tue 5 Aug 08
Upset
You keep saying that Lowe is killing the club. But how?
We are in a mess which he has not caused (even though, like many people in the Saints set up especially some of the managers, he has made some bad decisions along the way).
He is trying to get us out of the mess and he has to do so without any funds. If you want him out the best way is for the team to be successful. The team will not succeed if there is no money coming into the system.
As I have previously said, it is unreasonable to expect Lowe to just walk away. I doubt that Lowe cares about the football club in the same way that you or I do. For him it is a business and he will not go until a buyer comes in who will give him a good return on his investment. Why should he?
So lets hope we can do well without your cash and that of the other stay aways. You're missing some great football by the way and surely that is why you are a Saints fan?
Upset
You keep saying that Lowe is killing the club. But how?
We are in a mess which he has not caused (even though, like many people in the Saints set up especially some of the managers, he has made some bad decisions along the way).
He is trying to get us out of the mess and he has to do so without any funds. If you want him out the best way is for the team to be successful. The team will not succeed if there is no money coming into the system.
As I have previously said, it is unreasonable to expect Lowe to just walk away. I doubt that Lowe cares about the football club in the same way that you or I do. For him it is a business and he will not go until a buyer comes in who will give him a good return on his investment. Why should he?
So lets hope we can do well without your cash and that of the other stay aways. You're missing some great football by the way and surely that is why you are a Saints fan?
Posted by: Tired of excuses, Saints 1947-til I die on 3:35pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]upset Fan[/bold] wrote:
Its not the [bold]fans killing[/bold] the club [bold]its LOWE[/bold] , if he left we would all be back. We are staying away because of LOWE, what other way have we got to show our distrust of this man and his smug methods.[/quote] You are not hurting Lowe in the slightest, you are hurting yourselves and ultimately [bold]YOUR[/bold] club.
If Saints get promoted you will be back.
upset Fan wrote:
Its not the fans killing the club its LOWE , if he left we would all be back. We are staying away because of LOWE, what other way have we got to show our distrust of this man and his smug methods.
You are not hurting Lowe in the slightest, you are hurting yourselves and ultimately
YOUR club.
If Saints get promoted you will be back.
Posted by: LATEST NEWS on 3:36pm Tue 5 Aug 08
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson insists the transfer saga surrounding Cristiano Ronaldo is over and he will stay at Old Trafford.
Ronaldo's future at United has been the subject of constant speculation all summer with the Portuguese refusing to commit himself to the club.
Real Madrid have been waiting in the wings to swoop for Ronaldo with the Spanish giants not hiding their liking for the dazzling winger.
Reports in Spain have claimed Ronaldo would inform Ferguson he wanted to leave Old Trafford for Madrid when he returns to the club later this week to undergo treatment on his ankle injury.
Throughout the summer, Ferguson has remained adamant that last season's top scorer would not be leaving the club and the wily Scot insists the whole saga is now finished.
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson insists the transfer saga surrounding Cristiano Ronaldo is over and he will stay at Old Trafford.
Ronaldo's future at United has been the subject of constant speculation all summer with the Portuguese refusing to commit himself to the club.
Real Madrid have been waiting in the wings to swoop for Ronaldo with the Spanish giants not hiding their liking for the dazzling winger.
Reports in Spain have claimed Ronaldo would inform Ferguson he wanted to leave Old Trafford for Madrid when he returns to the club later this week to undergo treatment on his ankle injury.
Throughout the summer, Ferguson has remained adamant that last season's top scorer would not be leaving the club and the wily Scot insists the whole saga is now finished.
Posted by: Iain, Lordshill on 3:38pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote]KDog wrote: By supporting Saints, you are showing faith and support in the people who are entrusted to run our club.[/quote]
I'd disagree with that. I'm off down to St Marys tonight, and I don't show faith and support in Lowe or Wilde. I don't hate them, but I don't like them. I'd just prefer for Southampton to win, and I want to get a look at this Schneiderlin bloke who everyone in my local was raving about on Friday night.
Remember, sometimes it is just a game.
KDog wrote: By supporting Saints, you are showing faith and support in the people who are entrusted to run our club.
I'd disagree with that. I'm off down to St Marys tonight, and I don't show faith and support in Lowe or Wilde. I don't hate them, but I don't like them. I'd just prefer for Southampton to win, and I want to get a look at this Schneiderlin bloke who everyone in my local was raving about on Friday night.
Remember, sometimes it is just a game.
Posted by: the vengeful cabbage on 3:44pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]LATEST NEWS[/bold] wrote:
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson insists the transfer saga surrounding Cristiano Ronaldo is over and he will stay at Old Trafford. Ronaldo\'s future at United has been the subject of constant speculation all summer with the Portuguese refusing to commit himself to the club. Real Madrid have been waiting in the wings to swoop for Ronaldo with the Spanish giants not hiding their liking for the dazzling winger. Reports in Spain have claimed Ronaldo would inform Ferguson he wanted to leave Old Trafford for Madrid when he returns to the club later this week to undergo treatment on his ankle injury. Throughout the summer, Ferguson has remained adamant that last season\'s top scorer would not be leaving the club and the wily Scot insists the whole saga is now finished. [/quote] Latest News,
Are you demonstrating your ability to cut and paste seemilngly irrelevent stories from other sites in order to gain employment as an echo reporter?
LATEST NEWS wrote:
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson insists the transfer saga surrounding Cristiano Ronaldo is over and he will stay at Old Trafford. Ronaldo\'s future at United has been the subject of constant speculation all summer with the Portuguese refusing to commit himself to the club. Real Madrid have been waiting in the wings to swoop for Ronaldo with the Spanish giants not hiding their liking for the dazzling winger. Reports in Spain have claimed Ronaldo would inform Ferguson he wanted to leave Old Trafford for Madrid when he returns to the club later this week to undergo treatment on his ankle injury. Throughout the summer, Ferguson has remained adamant that last season\'s top scorer would not be leaving the club and the wily Scot insists the whole saga is now finished.
Latest News,
Are you demonstrating your ability to cut and paste seemilngly irrelevent stories from other sites in order to gain employment as an echo reporter?
Posted by: Upset fan on 3:54pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Tired of excuses[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]upset Fan[/bold] wrote: Its not the [bold]fans killing[/bold] the club [bold]its LOWE[/bold] , if he left we would all be back. We are staying away because of LOWE, what other way have we got to show our distrust of this man and his smug methods.[/quote] You are not hurting Lowe in the slightest, you are hurting yourselves and ultimately [bold]YOUR[/bold] club. If Saints get promoted you will be back.[/quote] [bold]In your opinion[/bold] , as I have stated I will NOT return to the club that I have loved for 30+ year until Lowe leaves, sir please do not be rude and allow me to offer how I and thousands of other southampton fans are hurting at this time.
Tired of excuses wrote:
upset Fan wrote: Its not the fans killing the club its LOWE , if he left we would all be back. We are staying away because of LOWE, what other way have we got to show our distrust of this man and his smug methods.
You are not hurting Lowe in the slightest, you are hurting yourselves and ultimately YOUR club. If Saints get promoted you will be back.
In your opinion , as I have stated I will NOT return to the club that I have loved for 30+ year until Lowe leaves, sir please do not be rude and allow me to offer how I and thousands of other southampton fans are hurting at this time.
Posted by: Graham, Herts on 3:59pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]upset Fan[/bold] wrote:
Its not the [bold]fans killing[/bold] the club [bold]its LOWE[/bold] , if he left we would all be back. We are staying away because of LOWE, what other way have we got to show our distrust of this man and his smug methods.[/quote] You are wrong. It's that simple.
In any event, he just can't leave in a vacuum.
I have asked various posters to name the alternatives to Lowe but, just at the moment there aren't any.
Where you are right is that the minute a decent alternative to Lowe comes up -with serious money - he will realise that his number is up and just disappear into the sands of history and be forgotten.
The real crunch is how we can persuade "upset fans" to carry on going to the matches when they have such strong feelings about Lowe.
All I can say is please, please remember the Saints wonderful past and understand that the downhill spiral will slowly continue. The financial position will slowly (or probably quickly) get worse and the Club will fold.
Just think, every 1,000 fans that stay away cost the Club (NOT Lowe) about £20,000 for every home game. So, if its as many as 5,000 staying away it's costing the Club (the Player's budget) something like £100,000 for every Home game.
It's not rocket science to guess what the Board could do with that sort of money.
Before others say it, you can't pay it out as dividends to shareholders until the Club is in the black.
Just suppose with that sort of extra income you could put £25,000 into the black hole of the Club's finances and you could put £25,000 into the pockets of 1, 2 or maybe 3 first class players (I've got no idea what first class Premier chasing players cost, perhaps you could help).
That is why I say it is the fans killing the Club, not Lowe. You have the freedom to not go to matches because your feelings are so strong and so firmly held BUT you are killing the Club.
upset Fan wrote:
Its not the fans killing the club its LOWE , if he left we would all be back. We are staying away because of LOWE, what other way have we got to show our distrust of this man and his smug methods.
You are wrong. It's that simple.
In any event, he just can't leave in a vacuum.
I have asked various posters to name the alternatives to Lowe but, just at the moment there aren't any.
Where you are right is that the minute a decent alternative to Lowe comes up -with serious money - he will realise that his number is up and just disappear into the sands of history and be forgotten.
The real crunch is how we can persuade "upset fans" to carry on going to the matches when they have such strong feelings about Lowe.
All I can say is please, please remember the Saints wonderful past and understand that the downhill spiral will slowly continue. The financial position will slowly (or probably quickly) get worse and the Club will fold.
Just think, every 1,000 fans that stay away cost the Club (NOT Lowe) about £20,000 for every home game. So, if its as many as 5,000 staying away it's costing the Club (the Player's budget) something like £100,000 for every Home game.
It's not rocket science to guess what the Board could do with that sort of money.
Before others say it, you can't pay it out as dividends to shareholders until the Club is in the black.
Just suppose with that sort of extra income you could put £25,000 into the black hole of the Club's finances and you could put £25,000 into the pockets of 1, 2 or maybe 3 first class players (I've got no idea what first class Premier chasing players cost, perhaps you could help).
That is why I say it is the fans killing the Club, not Lowe. You have the freedom to not go to matches because your feelings are so strong and so firmly held BUT you are killing the Club.
Posted by: Dean, Southampton on 4:07pm Tue 5 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Tired of excuses[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Dean[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jack[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Kdog[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]saints fans united[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote: What about support to-night? 9000 max if saints are lucky. Not enough, cost to stage game must be more then that. Best get used to it, a poor start and that may become normal next season.[/quote] very true we need full house everyweek 30.000 plus to make some money and maybe at the end of the season have some money to buy. come on you saints fans
