A MUM was hit in
the face in front of
her children because
she stopped in someone's
drive.
Frances Gorman was driving
to a holiday park when
she got lost and pulled over
off a busy road.
She reversed up a driveway
and stopped to ring a friend
to give her directions when
the attack happened.
The owner of the house
appeared at the side of her
car and began hammering
on her window. When she
wound it down, Mrs Gorman
claims he threw a punch and
tried to grab her phone.
The frightening ordeal happened
as Mrs Gorman's
eight-year-old daughter
Florence and nine-year-old
son Jacob looked on from the
back seats.
Police have confirmed they
are investigating the incident
which happened around
lunchtime on Wednesday on
the drive of a home in Main
Road, Marchwood.
A 63-year-old man has been
arrested on suspicion of
assault but has since been
released on bail until
September, pending further
inquiries.
Hampshire police confirmed
they had received a
call from Mrs Gorman at
around midday. Officers
were deployed and the man
was arrested at his house.
Mrs Gorman has been photographed
by police but she
has not suffered any physical
injury.
The mum of two from
Hursley, near Winchester,
had been on her way to
Sandy Balls holiday park at
Godshill in the New Forest
and had got lost, when the
incident happened. She had
planned to visit friends and
stay the night at the site.
Speaking to the Daily Echo
she said: "I was in a daze
really after he hit me, it was
such a shock. My daughter
was screaming, crying and
shaking and so was I.
"There is absolutely no
need for anyone to behave
like that, we were petrified.
"I used to be quite a trusting
person and I thought
nothing of winding downmy
window but now if someone
started to bang on my window
I think I would be scared
and just drive off."
See today's Daily Echo for the full story
11:52am Friday 15th August 2008
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CommentPosted by: Alison, Soton on 8:54am Fri 15 Aug 08
Absolutely disgusting I hope the guy that carried out the assault gets more than a slapped wrist what an animal..I hope the woman is ok.
A slug like him should be locked up her children must have been terrified what a nasty piece of work..lock him up!!
Absolutely disgusting I hope the guy that carried out the assault gets more than a slapped wrist what an animal..I hope the woman is ok.
A slug like him should be locked up her children must have been terrified what a nasty piece of work..lock him up!!
Posted by: Major Sir Jerry Pending, Ward 10 on 8:59am Fri 15 Aug 08
No excuse for that sort of behaviour - what's wrong with just asking someone to move. Mind you - it's also inconsiderate to block someone's drive, surely it would have been possible to pullover in a more convenient spot.
No excuse for that sort of behaviour - what's wrong with just asking someone to move. Mind you - it's also inconsiderate to block someone's drive, surely it would have been possible to pullover in a more convenient spot.
Posted by: George on 9:01am Fri 15 Aug 08
Post this guy's address, so I can go park in his driveway
Post this guy's address, so I can go park in his driveway
Posted by: wewullywinky on 9:10am Fri 15 Aug 08
This man obviously has issues, one being his temper and lack of politeness. Hope he doesn't have grandchildren if this is how he acts infront a strangers kids.
This man obviously has issues, one being his temper and lack of politeness. Hope he doesn't have grandchildren if this is how he acts infront a strangers kids.
Posted by: Artful Dodger, Millbrook on 9:15am Fri 15 Aug 08
What a Hero!
I bet he is the sort of old git that is always on about the youth of today having no respect for their elders, moans about hoodies and tells one and all about how perfect he and his mates, if he had any, were when they were kids.
If found guilty, I hope that he will be the guest of Her Majesty for a period of time.
What a Hero!
I bet he is the sort of old git that is always on about the youth of today having no respect for their elders, moans about hoodies and tells one and all about how perfect he and his mates, if he had any, were when they were kids.
If found guilty, I hope that he will be the guest of Her Majesty for a period of time.
Posted by: about time, soton on 9:21am Fri 15 Aug 08
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
Posted by: jonno, on denzil drive way on 9:21am Fri 15 Aug 08
More than likey the guy will not be charge,Because she had broke the law her-self,And he do have the right to remove her from his driveway using force.
But its still very bad behaviour
More than likey the guy will not be charge,Because she had broke the law her-self,And he do have the right to remove her from his driveway using force.
But its still very bad behaviour
Posted by: Duh!! on 9:28am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]about time[/bold] wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space. i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks[/quote] It quite clearly states in the report she pulled over to make a phone call. She never parked up and left the car you idiot!! She was sensible to stop driving and use her phone unlike many others!!!
about time wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space. i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
It quite clearly states in the report she pulled over to make a phone call. She never parked up and left the car you idiot!! She was sensible to stop driving and use her phone unlike many others!!!
Posted by: hulla, baloo on 9:36am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Duh!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]about time[/bold] wrote: what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space. i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks[/quote] It quite clearly states in the report she pulled over to make a phone call. She never parked up and left the car you idiot!! She was sensible to stop driving and use her phone unlike many others!!![/quote] It also states she "stopped in someones driveway"
Whether that means actually in it, or just across the entrance is not made clear.
Whichever, does not excuse his behaviour for what would seem to amount to only a couple of minutes for directions.
Duh!! wrote:
about time wrote: what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space. i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
It quite clearly states in the report she pulled over to make a phone call. She never parked up and left the car you idiot!! She was sensible to stop driving and use her phone unlike many others!!!
It also states she "stopped in someones driveway"
Whether that means actually in it, or just across the entrance is not made clear.
Whichever, does not excuse his behaviour for what would seem to amount to only a couple of minutes for directions.
Posted by: Wewullywinky on 9:36am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Artful Dodger[/bold] wrote:
What a Hero! I bet he is the sort of old git that is always on about the youth of today having no respect for their elders, moans about hoodies and tells one and all about how perfect he and his mates, if he had any, were when they were kids. If found guilty, I hope that he will be the guest of Her Majesty for a period of time.[/quote] Your statement would hold water if she was a hoodie, but I very much doubt it.
Artful Dodger wrote:
What a Hero! I bet he is the sort of old git that is always on about the youth of today having no respect for their elders, moans about hoodies and tells one and all about how perfect he and his mates, if he had any, were when they were kids. If found guilty, I hope that he will be the guest of Her Majesty for a period of time.
Your statement would hold water if she was a hoodie, but I very much doubt it.
Posted by: George on 9:39am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]about time[/bold] wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks[/quote] Sorry, but that's exactly what's wrong with the world today. Everyone's concerned about their own rights, and space, and what's "mine mine mine" and don't take a moment to think "is this person actually inconveniencing me?". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he'd have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?
about time wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
Sorry, but that's exactly what's wrong with the world today. Everyone's concerned about their own rights, and space, and what's "mine mine mine" and don't take a moment to think "is this person actually inconveniencing me?". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he'd have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?
Posted by: jed, southampton on 9:39am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]about time[/bold] wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space. i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks[/quote] Get a life!!!
She didn't park, she pulled over to use her mobile phone. Would the anal old git have done the same to a policeman/woman or an ambulance crew? He obviously sits there waiting for something like this to happen, just so that he can react. I think it just goes to show that it isn't just young kids that are rude and anti social. I hope that when this gets to court he is humiliated and shown for the pig that he is. Lashing out an anyone is a disgrace but a mum with her kids, the bloke is clearly an animal.
about time wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space. i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
Get a life!!!
She didn't park, she pulled over to use her mobile phone. Would the anal old git have done the same to a policeman/woman or an ambulance crew? He obviously sits there waiting for something like this to happen, just so that he can react. I think it just goes to show that it isn't just young kids that are rude and anti social. I hope that when this gets to court he is humiliated and shown for the pig that he is. Lashing out an anyone is a disgrace but a mum with her kids, the bloke is clearly an animal.
Posted by: pikey, new forest on 9:40am Fri 15 Aug 08
She has a cheek to park in someone,s drive. She should be charged with trespass. More power to the occupant of the house defending his property. Then she has further cheek to call the police. I,d like to meet her and tell the **** her fortune. Most of the comments from the other people are absolute rubbish and whats more theyre talking out of their rears!
She has a cheek to park in someone,s drive. She should be charged with trespass. More power to the occupant of the house defending his property. Then she has further cheek to call the police. I,d like to meet her and tell the **** her fortune. Most of the comments from the other people are absolute rubbish and whats more theyre talking out of their rears!
Posted by: Tony, Eastleigh on 9:42am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jonno[/bold] wrote:
More than likey the guy will not be charge,Because she had broke the law her-self,And he do have the right to remove her from his driveway using force. But its still very bad behaviour[/quote] She has not committed any criminal offence, and clearly did not have any intention of doing so. You are correct in the fact that you are permitted to remove people from your property usinng force. However, the force you use must be reasonable in the circumstances. The fact that he punched her in the face would indicate that he had no intention of removing her from his driveway.
You must be some sort of low life scum who thinks they know the law when in fact you know diddley squat.
One would assume that you have convictions for violent offences, or are likely to have in the future.
I feel for the women for the assault, and for the younge children who had to witness this unprovoked, unjustified attack against their mother.
jonno wrote:
More than likey the guy will not be charge,Because she had broke the law her-self,And he do have the right to remove her from his driveway using force. But its still very bad behaviour
She has not committed any criminal offence, and clearly did not have any intention of doing so. You are correct in the fact that you are permitted to remove people from your property usinng force. However, the force you use must be reasonable in the circumstances. The fact that he punched her in the face would indicate that he had no intention of removing her from his driveway.
You must be some sort of low life scum who thinks they know the law when in fact you know diddley squat.
One would assume that you have convictions for violent offences, or are likely to have in the future.
I feel for the women for the assault, and for the younge children who had to witness this unprovoked, unjustified attack against their mother.
Posted by: George on 9:44am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]pikey[/bold] wrote:
She has a cheek to park in someone,s drive. She should be charged with trespass. More power to the occupant of the house defending his property. Then she has further cheek to call the police. I,d like to meet her and tell the **** her fortune. Most of the comments from the other people are absolute rubbish and whats more theyre talking out of their rears![/quote] Yep, everyone's talking rubbish, because you said so. Brilliant
pikey wrote:
She has a cheek to park in someone,s drive. She should be charged with trespass. More power to the occupant of the house defending his property. Then she has further cheek to call the police. I,d like to meet her and tell the **** her fortune. Most of the comments from the other people are absolute rubbish and whats more theyre talking out of their rears!
Yep, everyone's talking rubbish, because you said so. Brilliant
Posted by: jonno, on denzil drive way on 9:49am Fri 15 Aug 08
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law
Posted by: George on 9:55am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jonno[/bold] wrote:
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law[/quote] You're not allowed to use your own driveway? Since when? She wasn't blocking the entrance, she was actually on the driveway, which isn't the same thing, so the traffic law doesn't apply. As for trespass, well, since the trespass wasn't aggravated in any way, she merely parked there, that's a simple tort, rather than the "crime" of trespass - no police involvement. He failed to use reasonable force to move her from his property, ergo he was in the wrong.
jonno wrote:
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law
You're not allowed to use your own driveway? Since when? She wasn't blocking the entrance, she was actually on the driveway, which isn't the same thing, so the traffic law doesn't apply. As for trespass, well, since the trespass wasn't aggravated in any way, she merely parked there, that's a simple tort, rather than the "crime" of trespass - no police involvement. He failed to use reasonable force to move her from his property, ergo he was in the wrong.
Posted by: deb on 9:55am Fri 15 Aug 08
If someone was hammering on my window i wouldn't have opened it, she must have seen that he was angry, but still he shouldn't have hit her i hope he feels ashamed of himself.
If someone was hammering on my window i wouldn't have opened it, she must have seen that he was angry, but still he shouldn't have hit her i hope he feels ashamed of himself.
Posted by: alan, birmingham on 9:58am Fri 15 Aug 08
i hope she turned her engine off before using her phone or that's another law she was breaking
i hope she turned her engine off before using her phone or that's another law she was breaking
Posted by: Neil, London on 10:03am Fri 15 Aug 08
1) This is the Echo reportig the story so who really knows what happened? Laziest journalists going work at the Echo.
2) If someone parked in someone elses drive, for however long, they are in the wrong and deserve a bollocking.
3) "... claims he threw a punch and tried to grab her phone." Did he actually punch her and did he actually grab her phone? She doesn't look like she has taken a beating (stop those unkind thoughts, you know who you are)
4) Have they reported his side of the story in the interest of balance? No, because when he turns round and says he asked her several times to move and she told him where to go all of a sudden the story doesn't seem so sensationalist and newsworthy.
Still, its done its job and got all you windbags with nothing better to do all irate hasn't it!
1) This is the Echo reportig the story so who really knows what happened? Laziest journalists going work at the Echo.
2) If someone parked in someone elses drive, for however long, they are in the wrong and deserve a bollocking.
3) "... claims he threw a punch and tried to grab her phone." Did he actually punch her and did he actually grab her phone? She doesn't look like she has taken a beating (stop those unkind thoughts, you know who you are)
4) Have they reported his side of the story in the interest of balance? No, because when he turns round and says he asked her several times to move and she told him where to go all of a sudden the story doesn't seem so sensationalist and newsworthy.
Still, its done its job and got all you windbags with nothing better to do all irate hasn't it!
Posted by: Husband on 10:03am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jonno[/bold] wrote:
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law[/quote] This happened to my wife about 15 years ago. She then got out of the car hit the bloke in the face with the palm of her hand and kicked him in the knee which sent him to the floor.
Police never got involved.
jonno wrote:
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law
This happened to my wife about 15 years ago. She then got out of the car hit the bloke in the face with the palm of her hand and kicked him in the knee which sent him to the floor.
Police never got involved.
Posted by: Get it Right, Winchester on 10:10am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]about time[/bold] wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don\'t condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks[/quote] Sorry, but that\'s exactly what\'s wrong with the world today. Everyone\'s concerned about their own rights, and space, and what\'s \"mine mine mine\" and don\'t take a moment to think \"is this person actually inconveniencing me?\". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he\'d have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?[/quote] Where are the "facts"? I dont see any "facts". All I see is opinion, conjecture, supposition and hot air. But no "facts".
George wrote:
about time wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don\'t condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
Sorry, but that\'s exactly what\'s wrong with the world today. Everyone\'s concerned about their own rights, and space, and what\'s \"mine mine mine\" and don\'t take a moment to think \"is this person actually inconveniencing me?\". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he\'d have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?
Where are the "facts"? I dont see any "facts". All I see is opinion, conjecture, supposition and hot air. But no "facts".
Posted by: George on 10:14am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Get it Right[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]about time[/bold] wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don\'t condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks[/quote] Sorry, but that\'s exactly what\'s wrong with the world today. Everyone\'s concerned about their own rights, and space, and what\'s \"mine mine mine\" and don\'t take a moment to think \"is this person actually inconveniencing me?\". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he\'d have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?[/quote] Where are the "facts"? I dont see any "facts". All I see is opinion, conjecture, supposition and hot air. But no "facts".[/quote] Well, there's no point ever commenting on any story, then, is there? Unless you're present at a reported incident, you can never be sure what's reported is right. But really, I'm pointing out that, in general, people today are too quick to be defensive about what are actually quite trivial things. I caught myself doing it last year, when a neighbour blocked my drive and I instantly got angry about it, "what right does she have to do that?". Then I thought "well, I don't need to get out right now, and she's only unloading her shopping. Where's the harm?" and left it. She got her shopping unloaded, and I saved myself the hassle of being p!ssed off. Everyone's a winner
Get it Right wrote:
George wrote:
about time wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don\'t condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
Sorry, but that\'s exactly what\'s wrong with the world today. Everyone\'s concerned about their own rights, and space, and what\'s \"mine mine mine\" and don\'t take a moment to think \"is this person actually inconveniencing me?\". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he\'d have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?
Where are the "facts"? I dont see any "facts". All I see is opinion, conjecture, supposition and hot air. But no "facts".
Well, there's no point ever commenting on any story, then, is there? Unless you're present at a reported incident, you can never be sure what's reported is right. But really, I'm pointing out that, in general, people today are too quick to be defensive about what are actually quite trivial things. I caught myself doing it last year, when a neighbour blocked my drive and I instantly got angry about it, "what right does she have to do that?". Then I thought "well, I don't need to get out right now, and she's only unloading her shopping. Where's the harm?" and left it. She got her shopping unloaded, and I saved myself the hassle of being p!ssed off. Everyone's a winner
Posted by: jonno, on denzil drive way on 10:25am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jonno[/bold] wrote:
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law[/quote] You\'re not allowed to use your own driveway? Since when? She wasn\'t blocking the entrance, she was actually on the driveway, which isn\'t the same thing, so the traffic law doesn\'t apply. As for trespass, well, since the trespass wasn\'t aggravated in any way, she merely parked there, that\'s a simple tort, rather than the \"crime\" of trespass - no police involvement. He failed to use reasonable force to move her from his property, ergo he was in the wrong. [/quote] Read the law.You are allowed to use your drive way but you not allowed to block it.(blocking it means blocking the entrance).The law no longer says reasonable force,It now says you can use force.The woman has broke the law,The guy has't.It is an offence to drive on some one drive way with out permission,Your not even allowed to use some driveway to turn round.What she should of done was pull up in between drive ways giving 1 meter clearance of any driveway entrance.
George wrote:
jonno wrote:
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law
You\'re not allowed to use your own driveway? Since when? She wasn\'t blocking the entrance, she was actually on the driveway, which isn\'t the same thing, so the traffic law doesn\'t apply. As for trespass, well, since the trespass wasn\'t aggravated in any way, she merely parked there, that\'s a simple tort, rather than the \"crime\" of trespass - no police involvement. He failed to use reasonable force to move her from his property, ergo he was in the wrong.
Read the law.You are allowed to use your drive way but you not allowed to block it.(blocking it means blocking the entrance).The law no longer says reasonable force,It now says you can use force.The woman has broke the law,The guy has't.It is an offence to drive on some one drive way with out permission,Your not even allowed to use some driveway to turn round.What she should of done was pull up in between drive ways giving 1 meter clearance of any driveway entrance.
Posted by: George on 10:30am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jonno[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jonno[/bold] wrote:
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law[/quote] You\'re not allowed to use your own driveway? Since when? She wasn\'t blocking the entrance, she was actually on the driveway, which isn\'t the same thing, so the traffic law doesn\'t apply. As for trespass, well, since the trespass wasn\'t aggravated in any way, she merely parked there, that\'s a simple tort, rather than the \"crime\" of trespass - no police involvement. He failed to use reasonable force to move her from his property, ergo he was in the wrong. [/quote] Read the law.You are allowed to use your drive way but you not allowed to block it.(blocking it means blocking the entrance).The law no longer says reasonable force,It now says you can use force.The woman has broke the law,The guy has't.It is an offence to drive on some one drive way with out permission,Your not even allowed to use some driveway to turn round.What she should of done was pull up in between drive ways giving 1 meter clearance of any driveway entrance.[/quote] Got any sources for this recent change in the law that allows use of excessive force? Regardless, though, do you really think it's right to simply punch a woman in the face for being on your drive?
jonno wrote:
George wrote:
jonno wrote:
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law
You\'re not allowed to use your own driveway? Since when? She wasn\'t blocking the entrance, she was actually on the driveway, which isn\'t the same thing, so the traffic law doesn\'t apply. As for trespass, well, since the trespass wasn\'t aggravated in any way, she merely parked there, that\'s a simple tort, rather than the \"crime\" of trespass - no police involvement. He failed to use reasonable force to move her from his property, ergo he was in the wrong.
Read the law.You are allowed to use your drive way but you not allowed to block it.(blocking it means blocking the entrance).The law no longer says reasonable force,It now says you can use force.The woman has broke the law,The guy has't.It is an offence to drive on some one drive way with out permission,Your not even allowed to use some driveway to turn round.What she should of done was pull up in between drive ways giving 1 meter clearance of any driveway entrance.
Got any sources for this recent change in the law that allows use of excessive force? Regardless, though, do you really think it's right to simply punch a woman in the face for being on your drive?
Posted by: Get it Right on 10:31am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Get it Right[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]about time[/bold] wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don\\\'t condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks[/quote] Sorry, but that\\\'s exactly what\\\'s wrong with the world today. Everyone\\\'s concerned about their own rights, and space, and what\\\'s \\\"mine mine mine\\\" and don\\\'t take a moment to think \\\"is this person actually inconveniencing me?\\\". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he\\\'d have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?[/quote] Where are the \"facts\"? I dont see any \"facts\". All I see is opinion, conjecture, supposition and hot air. But no \"facts\".[/quote] Well, there\'s no point ever commenting on any story, then, is there? Unless you\'re present at a reported incident, you can never be sure what\'s reported is right. But really, I\'m pointing out that, in general, people today are too quick to be defensive about what are actually quite trivial things. I caught myself doing it last year, when a neighbour blocked my drive and I instantly got angry about it, \"what right does she have to do that?\". Then I thought \"well, I don\'t need to get out right now, and she\'s only unloading her shopping. Where\'s the harm?\" and left it. She got her shopping unloaded, and I saved myself the hassle of being p!ssed off. Everyone\'s a winner[/quote] But you bang on [bold]all the time[/bold] about posters talking from "facts". You do the same exact thing as people you constatly rubbish, forget the "facts" that is hypocritical in my book. Little personal anecdotes are cute. But they are not "facts" so are not relevant to any proper discussion or debate. You talk a lot but if you analysis what you actually say most of it is wind. you are so full of yourself you ignore the "facts". Get it right!
George wrote:
Get it Right wrote:
George wrote:
about time wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
Sorry, but that's exactly what's wrong with the world today. Everyone's concerned about their own rights, and space, and what's \\\"mine mine mine\\\" and don't take a moment to think \\\"is this person actually inconveniencing me?\\\". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he'd have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?
Where are the \"facts\"? I dont see any \"facts\". All I see is opinion, conjecture, supposition and hot air. But no \"facts\".
Well, there\'s no point ever commenting on any story, then, is there? Unless you\'re present at a reported incident, you can never be sure what\'s reported is right. But really, I\'m pointing out that, in general, people today are too quick to be defensive about what are actually quite trivial things. I caught myself doing it last year, when a neighbour blocked my drive and I instantly got angry about it, \"what right does she have to do that?\". Then I thought \"well, I don\'t need to get out right now, and she\'s only unloading her shopping. Where\'s the harm?\" and left it. She got her shopping unloaded, and I saved myself the hassle of being p!ssed off. Everyone\'s a winner
But you bang on
all the time about posters talking from "facts". You do the same exact thing as people you constatly rubbish, forget the "facts" that is hypocritical in my book. Little personal anecdotes are cute. But they are not "facts" so are not relevant to any proper discussion or debate. You talk a lot but if you analysis what you actually say most of it is wind. you are so full of yourself you ignore the "facts". Get it right!
Posted by: Delboy, Chandlers Ford on 10:33am Fri 15 Aug 08
Some great posts on here from people who obviously know so much about the law! (especially jonno, ooh don't block my drive you criminal, -what a tool) and until the physical attack, this is only civil law, not criminal law anyway. Surely the basis is that a women sat in a car with her kids was punched in the face by an angry guy; I don't think in a normal world there can be any excuse for what he's done and I hope he's hit with the full force of the law, probably worth at least a police caution by todays tough standards!
Some great posts on here from people who obviously know so much about the law! (especially jonno, ooh don't block my drive you criminal, -what a tool) and until the physical attack, this is only civil law, not criminal law anyway. Surely the basis is that a women sat in a car with her kids was punched in the face by an angry guy; I don't think in a normal world there can be any excuse for what he's done and I hope he's hit with the full force of the law, probably worth at least a police caution by todays tough standards!
Posted by: Words Fail Me, Hants on 10:35am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]about time[/bold] wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space. i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks[/quote] Read the article again! She didn't 'park' her car, nor 'block' the ignorant old sod's drive, she merely stopped to get directions. If the property owner needed or wanted her to move she could have done so immediately had he the manners to ask her. She states she was on a busy road so perhaps there were no safe places to stop, bearing in mind she had two young children in the back of her car. No excuses whatever for this unacceptable behaviour from someone old enough to know better!
about time wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space. i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
Read the article again! She didn't 'park' her car, nor 'block' the ignorant old sod's drive, she merely stopped to get directions. If the property owner needed or wanted her to move she could have done so immediately had he the manners to ask her. She states she was on a busy road so perhaps there were no safe places to stop, bearing in mind she had two young children in the back of her car. No excuses whatever for this unacceptable behaviour from someone old enough to know better!
Posted by: jonno, on denzil drive way on 10:35am Fri 15 Aug 08
It got changed not long after that farmer shot a guy that broke into his house.And the law say you may use force,It don't say excessive force.And you can only use force if it happen on your land.
It got changed not long after that farmer shot a guy that broke into his house.And the law say you may use force,It don't say excessive force.And you can only use force if it happen on your land.
Posted by: George on 10:37am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Get it Right[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Get it Right[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]about time[/bold] wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don\\\'t condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks[/quote] Sorry, but that\\\'s exactly what\\\'s wrong with the world today. Everyone\\\'s concerned about their own rights, and space, and what\\\'s \\\"mine mine mine\\\" and don\\\'t take a moment to think \\\"is this person actually inconveniencing me?\\\". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he\\\'d have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?[/quote] Where are the \"facts\"? I dont see any \"facts\". All I see is opinion, conjecture, supposition and hot air. But no \"facts\".[/quote] Well, there\'s no point ever commenting on any story, then, is there? Unless you\'re present at a reported incident, you can never be sure what\'s reported is right. But really, I\'m pointing out that, in general, people today are too quick to be defensive about what are actually quite trivial things. I caught myself doing it last year, when a neighbour blocked my drive and I instantly got angry about it, \"what right does she have to do that?\". Then I thought \"well, I don\'t need to get out right now, and she\'s only unloading her shopping. Where\'s the harm?\" and left it. She got her shopping unloaded, and I saved myself the hassle of being p!ssed off. Everyone\'s a winner[/quote] But you bang on [bold]all the time[/bold] about posters talking from "facts". You do the same exact thing as people you constatly rubbish, forget the "facts" that is hypocritical in my book. Little personal anecdotes are cute. But they are not "facts" so are not relevant to any proper discussion or debate. You talk a lot but if you analysis what you actually say most of it is wind. you are so full of yourself you ignore the "facts". Get it right![/quote] Yep, point taken. what's reported here is one-sided, we don't know what actually happened.
I still reckon the whole thing - and a lot of similar incidents - could be avoided if people stopped to think "where's the harm?" before leaping into an argument. Agree? Disagree?
Get it Right wrote:
George wrote:
Get it Right wrote:
George wrote:
about time wrote:
what an inconsiderate woman,have any of you got any idea how irritating it is to have your drive blocked by someone who thinks they are to special to park in a correct space.
i don't condone it but next time i bet she is more careful where she parks
Sorry, but that's exactly what's wrong with the world today. Everyone's concerned about their own rights, and space, and what's \\\"mine mine mine\\\" and don't take a moment to think \\\"is this person actually inconveniencing me?\\\". If he wanted to get out of his drive, or his wife or somebody wanted to get in, then he'd have cause for complaint, but if not, then what harm was she doing?
Where are the \"facts\"? I dont see any \"facts\". All I see is opinion, conjecture, supposition and hot air. But no \"facts\".
Well, there\'s no point ever commenting on any story, then, is there? Unless you\'re present at a reported incident, you can never be sure what\'s reported is right. But really, I\'m pointing out that, in general, people today are too quick to be defensive about what are actually quite trivial things. I caught myself doing it last year, when a neighbour blocked my drive and I instantly got angry about it, \"what right does she have to do that?\". Then I thought \"well, I don\'t need to get out right now, and she\'s only unloading her shopping. Where\'s the harm?\" and left it. She got her shopping unloaded, and I saved myself the hassle of being p!ssed off. Everyone\'s a winner
But you bang on all the time about posters talking from "facts". You do the same exact thing as people you constatly rubbish, forget the "facts" that is hypocritical in my book. Little personal anecdotes are cute. But they are not "facts" so are not relevant to any proper discussion or debate. You talk a lot but if you analysis what you actually say most of it is wind. you are so full of yourself you ignore the "facts". Get it right!
Yep, point taken. what's reported here is one-sided, we don't know what actually happened.
I still reckon the whole thing - and a lot of similar incidents - could be avoided if people stopped to think "where's the harm?" before leaping into an argument. Agree? Disagree?
Posted by: George on 10:43am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jonno[/bold] wrote:
It got changed not long after that farmer shot a guy that broke into his house.And the law say you may use force,It don't say excessive force.And you can only use force if it happen on your land.[/quote] You mean the Tony Martin case? You make an interesting point. The press had a field day about how he was protecting his property, truth of the matter is, he shot the guys in the back as they were leaving. Then he went to the pub for a pint, leaving them for dead, rather than calling the police as he should have done. He was also known to wave his shotgun around at people for no reason when p!ssed. I used to live in that area, there's a lot more to the Tony Martin story than was reported in the papers
jonno wrote:
It got changed not long after that farmer shot a guy that broke into his house.And the law say you may use force,It don't say excessive force.And you can only use force if it happen on your land.
You mean the Tony Martin case? You make an interesting point. The press had a field day about how he was protecting his property, truth of the matter is, he shot the guys in the back as they were leaving. Then he went to the pub for a pint, leaving them for dead, rather than calling the police as he should have done. He was also known to wave his shotgun around at people for no reason when p!ssed. I used to live in that area, there's a lot more to the Tony Martin story than was reported in the papers
Posted by: jonno, on denzil drive way on 10:45am Fri 15 Aug 08
Well that case got the ball rolling,To have the law changed.
Well that case got the ball rolling,To have the law changed.
Posted by: George on 10:51am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jonno[/bold] wrote:
Well that case got the ball rolling,To have the law changed.[/quote] Certainly did. The Tony Martin case is so full of holes and inconsistencies that it's not much use as evidence for either side of the "right to defend property" case, but yeh, it highlighted that the law needed changing in the favour of the law-abiding.
I still reckon the guy in this story over-reacted. There's rarely any need to physically assault someone who's sat down, in a stationary car.
jonno wrote:
Well that case got the ball rolling,To have the law changed.
Certainly did. The Tony Martin case is so full of holes and inconsistencies that it's not much use as evidence for either side of the "right to defend property" case, but yeh, it highlighted that the law needed changing in the favour of the law-abiding.
I still reckon the guy in this story over-reacted. There's rarely any need to physically assault someone who's sat down, in a stationary car.
Posted by: jonno, on denzil drive way on 10:54am Fri 15 Aug 08
I think he did to,but??
With me I would of just tap on the window after 5 mins,And pointed my thumb in a hop-it fashion.
I think he did to,but??
With me I would of just tap on the window after 5 mins,And pointed my thumb in a hop-it fashion.
Posted by: George on 10:58am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jonno[/bold] wrote:
I think he did to,but??
With me I would of just tap on the window after 5 mins,And pointed my thumb in a hop-it fashion.[/quote] I'd have given her directions. Assuming she wasn't being a gobby cow or anything, of course
jonno wrote:
I think he did to,but??
With me I would of just tap on the window after 5 mins,And pointed my thumb in a hop-it fashion.
I'd have given her directions. Assuming she wasn't being a gobby cow or anything, of course
Posted by: George on 11:01am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote]Also to everybody saying its not annoying to have your driveway blocked, my house is on a s bend corner and everytime i want to get a car out the drive i have to go door knocking for 15 minuets to find whose parked across my drive this time.[/quote]
That is annoying, yeh. But someone just sat there for a minute or so, when you're not going anywhere anyway? Where's the harm?
[quote]Admitedly there have been times when its fun (say when i've had to leave the house at 5:30 in the morning)[/quote]
Heh heh, they can't exactly get annoyed with you either, can they?
Also to everybody saying its not annoying to have your driveway blocked, my house is on a s bend corner and everytime i want to get a car out the drive i have to go door knocking for 15 minuets to find whose parked across my drive this time.
That is annoying, yeh. But someone just sat there for a minute or so, when you're not going anywhere anyway? Where's the harm?
Admitedly there have been times when its fun (say when i've had to leave the house at 5:30 in the morning)
Heh heh, they can't exactly get annoyed with you either, can they?
Posted by: Marchwood Resident, Marchwood on 11:09am Fri 15 Aug 08
Whilst I don’t condone the alleged actions of the 63 year old man at all, it’s clear to see how this incident could have been completely avoided if the woman had used a little common-sense in the first place!
“pulled off a busy main road”: Hmm – Main Road in Marchwood can hardly be described as busy, and as for stopping in someone’s driveway, seems to me that although she managed to find one of the few driveways along that road to stop in, she also successfully managed to completely miss FOUR car-parks along that road:
(1) Lloyds Recreation Ground
(2) Outside the Newsagents & Hairdressers
(3) Beside the White Horse pub
(4) In front of the Doctors and Dental surgeries.
And what about the TWO car-parks in the village centre?!
I appreciate she may have been lost, but there are sign-posts clearly showing the direction of the village centre, and surely it would be more logical to find somewhere appropriate to park, be it to make a phone-call, or even get out of the car and ask someone for assistance.
And how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me. Unless you are actually intending to go to Marchwood, you’re more than likely to bypass it altogether than end up in the middle of it.
Whilst I don’t condone the alleged actions of the 63 year old man at all, it’s clear to see how this incident could have been completely avoided if the woman had used a little common-sense in the first place!
“pulled off a busy main road”: Hmm – Main Road in Marchwood can hardly be described as busy, and as for stopping in someone’s driveway, seems to me that although she managed to find one of the few driveways along that road to stop in, she also successfully managed to completely miss FOUR car-parks along that road:
(1) Lloyds Recreation Ground
(2) Outside the Newsagents & Hairdressers
(3) Beside the White Horse pub
(4) In front of the Doctors and Dental surgeries.
And what about the TWO car-parks in the village centre?!
I appreciate she may have been lost, but there are sign-posts clearly showing the direction of the village centre, and surely it would be more logical to find somewhere appropriate to park, be it to make a phone-call, or even get out of the car and ask someone for assistance.
And how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me. Unless you are actually intending to go to Marchwood, you’re more than likely to bypass it altogether than end up in the middle of it.
Posted by: the vengeful cabbage on 11:12am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Also to everybody saying its not annoying to have your driveway blocked, my house is on a s bend corner and everytime i want to get a car out the drive i have to go door knocking for 15 minuets to find whose parked across my drive this time.[/quote] That is annoying, yeh. But someone just sat there for a minute or so, when you're not going anywhere anyway? Where's the harm? [quote]Admitedly there have been times when its fun (say when i've had to leave the house at 5:30 in the morning)[/quote] Heh heh, they can't exactly get annoyed with you either, can they?[/quote] Dosen't say in the storey if he was going anywhere or not. But if i'm not going anywhere then i have no problem with it. It still irks me as i have a dropped kirb and for the most part they are just too lazy to pull the car round the front of the house where its clear. But i am in a slip road and people aren't exactly glowing models of road safety when they pull over to answer their phones. Often they just stop in the middle of the road or worse right in the middle of the corner which is a van drivers favourite. And in answer to your question i'm sure they do get annoyed but it hasn't stopped them parking there... yet!
George wrote:
Also to everybody saying its not annoying to have your driveway blocked, my house is on a s bend corner and everytime i want to get a car out the drive i have to go door knocking for 15 minuets to find whose parked across my drive this time.
That is annoying, yeh. But someone just sat there for a minute or so, when you're not going anywhere anyway? Where's the harm? Admitedly there have been times when its fun (say when i've had to leave the house at 5:30 in the morning)
Heh heh, they can't exactly get annoyed with you either, can they?
Dosen't say in the storey if he was going anywhere or not. But if i'm not going anywhere then i have no problem with it. It still irks me as i have a dropped kirb and for the most part they are just too lazy to pull the car round the front of the house where its clear. But i am in a slip road and people aren't exactly glowing models of road safety when they pull over to answer their phones. Often they just stop in the middle of the road or worse right in the middle of the corner which is a van drivers favourite. And in answer to your question i'm sure they do get annoyed but it hasn't stopped them parking there... yet!
Posted by: Mike, Southampton on 11:18am Fri 15 Aug 08
Probably the poor man had just seen the new Batman film and thought the Joker was paying him a visit!
Probably the poor man had just seen the new Batman film and thought the Joker was paying him a visit!
Posted by: hehod, bitternpark / canary's on 11:19am Fri 15 Aug 08
We have only heard 1 side of this so far there are alway's to sides .Its so far only a allegation.
Try living in manor farm road on school runs all the mummys and daddys parked outside are drive way sometimes we werelate to work as they would not hurry back..
We have only heard 1 side of this so far there are alway's to sides .Its so far only a allegation.
Try living in manor farm road on school runs all the mummys and daddys parked outside are drive way sometimes we werelate to work as they would not hurry back..
Posted by: Nobjockey on 11:48am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Marchwood Resident[/bold] wrote:
Whilst I don’t condone the alleged actions of the 63 year old man at all, it’s clear to see how this incident could have been completely avoided if the woman had used a little common-sense in the first place! “pulled off a busy main road”: Hmm – Main Road in Marchwood can hardly be described as busy, and as for stopping in someone’s driveway, seems to me that although she managed to find one of the few driveways along that road to stop in, she also successfully managed to completely miss FOUR car-parks along that road: (1) Lloyds Recreation Ground (2) Outside the Newsagents & Hairdressers (3) Beside the White Horse pub (4) In front of the Doctors and Dental surgeries. And what about the TWO car-parks in the village centre?! I appreciate she may have been lost, but there are sign-posts clearly showing the direction of the village centre, and surely it would be more logical to find somewhere appropriate to park, be it to make a phone-call, or even get out of the car and ask someone for assistance. And how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me. Unless you are actually intending to go to Marchwood, you’re more than likely to bypass it altogether than end up in the middle of it. [/quote] Very contradictory argument.
She was lost. She doesn't know the area like you do.
You know where the car parks are, she doesn't.
You don't know whereabouts she actually was parked, so don't know whether the village centre or car park sign-posts were visible.
She was lost and probably stressed. The last thing she was probably inclined to do, was wander off her current course. By stopping, she could more easily explain what route she had taken and easily back-track if necessary.
"how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me"
For the last time, she was [italic]lost[/italic] .
Marchwood Resident wrote:
Whilst I don’t condone the alleged actions of the 63 year old man at all, it’s clear to see how this incident could have been completely avoided if the woman had used a little common-sense in the first place! “pulled off a busy main road”: Hmm – Main Road in Marchwood can hardly be described as busy, and as for stopping in someone’s driveway, seems to me that although she managed to find one of the few driveways along that road to stop in, she also successfully managed to completely miss FOUR car-parks along that road: (1) Lloyds Recreation Ground (2) Outside the Newsagents & Hairdressers (3) Beside the White Horse pub (4) In front of the Doctors and Dental surgeries. And what about the TWO car-parks in the village centre?! I appreciate she may have been lost, but there are sign-posts clearly showing the direction of the village centre, and surely it would be more logical to find somewhere appropriate to park, be it to make a phone-call, or even get out of the car and ask someone for assistance. And how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me. Unless you are actually intending to go to Marchwood, you’re more than likely to bypass it altogether than end up in the middle of it.
Very contradictory argument.
She was lost. She doesn't know the area like you do.
You know where the car parks are, she doesn't.
You don't know whereabouts she actually was parked, so don't know whether the village centre or car park sign-posts were visible.
She was lost and probably stressed. The last thing she was probably inclined to do, was wander off her current course. By stopping, she could more easily explain what route she had taken and easily back-track if necessary.
"how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me"
For the last time, she was
lost .
Posted by: Sotonion, Soton on 11:50am Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Marchwood Resident[/bold] wrote:
Whilst I don’t condone the alleged actions of the 63 year old man at all, it’s clear to see how this incident could have been completely avoided if the woman had used a little common-sense in the first place! “pulled off a busy main road”: Hmm – Main Road in Marchwood can hardly be described as busy, and as for stopping in someone’s driveway, seems to me that although she managed to find one of the few driveways along that road to stop in, she also successfully managed to completely miss FOUR car-parks along that road: (1) Lloyds Recreation Ground (2) Outside the Newsagents & Hairdressers (3) Beside the White Horse pub (4) In front of the Doctors and Dental surgeries. And what about the TWO car-parks in the village centre?! I appreciate she may have been lost, but there are sign-posts clearly showing the direction of the village centre, and surely it would be more logical to find somewhere appropriate to park, be it to make a phone-call, or even get out of the car and ask someone for assistance. And how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me. Unless you are actually intending to go to Marchwood, you’re more than likely to bypass it altogether than end up in the middle of it. [/quote] Yep - and shops sell maps too!
Marchwood Resident wrote:
Whilst I don’t condone the alleged actions of the 63 year old man at all, it’s clear to see how this incident could have been completely avoided if the woman had used a little common-sense in the first place! “pulled off a busy main road”: Hmm – Main Road in Marchwood can hardly be described as busy, and as for stopping in someone’s driveway, seems to me that although she managed to find one of the few driveways along that road to stop in, she also successfully managed to completely miss FOUR car-parks along that road: (1) Lloyds Recreation Ground (2) Outside the Newsagents & Hairdressers (3) Beside the White Horse pub (4) In front of the Doctors and Dental surgeries. And what about the TWO car-parks in the village centre?! I appreciate she may have been lost, but there are sign-posts clearly showing the direction of the village centre, and surely it would be more logical to find somewhere appropriate to park, be it to make a phone-call, or even get out of the car and ask someone for assistance. And how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me. Unless you are actually intending to go to Marchwood, you’re more than likely to bypass it altogether than end up in the middle of it.
Yep - and shops sell maps too!
Posted by: Marchwood Resident, Marchwood on 12:01pm Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Nobjockey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Marchwood Resident[/bold] wrote: Whilst I don’t condone the alleged actions of the 63 year old man at all, it’s clear to see how this incident could have been completely avoided if the woman had used a little common-sense in the first place! “pulled off a busy main road”: Hmm – Main Road in Marchwood can hardly be described as busy, and as for stopping in someone’s driveway, seems to me that although she managed to find one of the few driveways along that road to stop in, she also successfully managed to completely miss FOUR car-parks along that road: (1) Lloyds Recreation Ground (2) Outside the Newsagents & Hairdressers (3) Beside the White Horse pub (4) In front of the Doctors and Dental surgeries. And what about the TWO car-parks in the village centre?! I appreciate she may have been lost, but there are sign-posts clearly showing the direction of the village centre, and surely it would be more logical to find somewhere appropriate to park, be it to make a phone-call, or even get out of the car and ask someone for assistance. And how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me. Unless you are actually intending to go to Marchwood, you’re more than likely to bypass it altogether than end up in the middle of it. [/quote] Very contradictory argument. She was lost. She doesn't know the area like you do. You know where the car parks are, she doesn't. You don't know whereabouts she actually was parked, so don't know whether the village centre or car park sign-posts were visible. She was lost and probably stressed. The last thing she was probably inclined to do, was wander off her current course. By stopping, she could more easily explain what route she had taken and easily back-track if necessary. "how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me" For the last time, she was [italic]lost[/italic] . [/quote] Yes, I live in Marchwood, and as such I know that you literally have to drive past these car parks (which are all along Main Road) and are obviously car-parks as they have cars in them. The driveway would actually be a lot harder to find, as there are hardly any along that road. Main Road, Marchwood is actually quite a small road, not the busy main road that the echo implies that it is. There's traffic calming all along it, and you have to drive slowly through it anyway - stopping at each calming section 99.9% of the time.
I too have found myself in situations where I have been lost, and stressed out, but in these circumstances I have looked more intently for signposts to direct me somewhere where I could find assistance. I haven't just looked around for someones driveway to pull into. Come on - a pub (for example) is hardly something you're going to miss, and most pubs have car-parks! Same applies to shops, and the shops/pubs etc along Main Road in Marchwood are right along the side of the road, with car-parks right outside.
And, contrary to what you say, I DO actually have a pretty good idea where this driveway was, and if I'm right, then there's no way she should have missed two of the car-parks mentioned, as they are directly opposite!
One thing I will agree with you on though, and most wholeheartedly, and that's your name!
Nobjockey wrote:
Marchwood Resident wrote: Whilst I don’t condone the alleged actions of the 63 year old man at all, it’s clear to see how this incident could have been completely avoided if the woman had used a little common-sense in the first place! “pulled off a busy main road”: Hmm – Main Road in Marchwood can hardly be described as busy, and as for stopping in someone’s driveway, seems to me that although she managed to find one of the few driveways along that road to stop in, she also successfully managed to completely miss FOUR car-parks along that road: (1) Lloyds Recreation Ground (2) Outside the Newsagents & Hairdressers (3) Beside the White Horse pub (4) In front of the Doctors and Dental surgeries. And what about the TWO car-parks in the village centre?! I appreciate she may have been lost, but there are sign-posts clearly showing the direction of the village centre, and surely it would be more logical to find somewhere appropriate to park, be it to make a phone-call, or even get out of the car and ask someone for assistance. And how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me. Unless you are actually intending to go to Marchwood, you’re more than likely to bypass it altogether than end up in the middle of it.
Very contradictory argument. She was lost. She doesn't know the area like you do. You know where the car parks are, she doesn't. You don't know whereabouts she actually was parked, so don't know whether the village centre or car park sign-posts were visible. She was lost and probably stressed. The last thing she was probably inclined to do, was wander off her current course. By stopping, she could more easily explain what route she had taken and easily back-track if necessary. "how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me" For the last time, she was lost .
Yes, I live in Marchwood, and as such I know that you literally have to drive past these car parks (which are all along Main Road) and are obviously car-parks as they have cars in them. The driveway would actually be a lot harder to find, as there are hardly any along that road. Main Road, Marchwood is actually quite a small road, not the busy main road that the echo implies that it is. There's traffic calming all along it, and you have to drive slowly through it anyway - stopping at each calming section 99.9% of the time.
I too have found myself in situations where I have been lost, and stressed out, but in these circumstances I have looked more intently for signposts to direct me somewhere where I could find assistance. I haven't just looked around for someones driveway to pull into. Come on - a pub (for example) is hardly something you're going to miss, and most pubs have car-parks! Same applies to shops, and the shops/pubs etc along Main Road in Marchwood are right along the side of the road, with car-parks right outside.
And, contrary to what you say, I DO actually have a pretty good idea where this driveway was, and if I'm right, then there's no way she should have missed two of the car-parks mentioned, as they are directly opposite!
One thing I will agree with you on though, and most wholeheartedly, and that's your name!
Posted by: I know her, Southampton on 12:01pm Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Nobjockey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Marchwood Resident[/bold] wrote: Whilst I don’t condone the alleged actions of the 63 year old man at all, it’s clear to see how this incident could have been completely avoided if the woman had used a little common-sense in the first place! “pulled off a busy main road”: Hmm – Main Road in Marchwood can hardly be described as busy, and as for stopping in someone’s driveway, seems to me that although she managed to find one of the few driveways along that road to stop in, she also successfully managed to completely miss FOUR car-parks along that road: (1) Lloyds Recreation Ground (2) Outside the Newsagents & Hairdressers (3) Beside the White Horse pub (4) In front of the Doctors and Dental surgeries. And what about the TWO car-parks in the village centre?! I appreciate she may have been lost, but there are sign-posts clearly showing the direction of the village centre, and surely it would be more logical to find somewhere appropriate to park, be it to make a phone-call, or even get out of the car and ask someone for assistance. And how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me. Unless you are actually intending to go to Marchwood, you’re more than likely to bypass it altogether than end up in the middle of it. [/quote] Very contradictory argument. She was lost. She doesn't know the area like you do. You know where the car parks are, she doesn't. You don't know whereabouts she actually was parked, so don't know whether the village centre or car park sign-posts were visible. She was lost and probably stressed. The last thing she was probably inclined to do, was wander off her current course. By stopping, she could more easily explain what route she had taken and easily back-track if necessary. "how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me" For the last time, she was [italic]lost[/italic] . [/quote] She may have been lost but I take it as a driver she isn't blind and therefore could quite easily have seen sign posts to the many car parking spaces along Main Road.
My sympathy is more with the old man. There is more to this story than the Echo is reporting and this woman is playing the sympathy vote. This is such a one sided story.
Nobjockey wrote:
Marchwood Resident wrote: Whilst I don’t condone the alleged actions of the 63 year old man at all, it’s clear to see how this incident could have been completely avoided if the woman had used a little common-sense in the first place! “pulled off a busy main road”: Hmm – Main Road in Marchwood can hardly be described as busy, and as for stopping in someone’s driveway, seems to me that although she managed to find one of the few driveways along that road to stop in, she also successfully managed to completely miss FOUR car-parks along that road: (1) Lloyds Recreation Ground (2) Outside the Newsagents & Hairdressers (3) Beside the White Horse pub (4) In front of the Doctors and Dental surgeries. And what about the TWO car-parks in the village centre?! I appreciate she may have been lost, but there are sign-posts clearly showing the direction of the village centre, and surely it would be more logical to find somewhere appropriate to park, be it to make a phone-call, or even get out of the car and ask someone for assistance. And how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me. Unless you are actually intending to go to Marchwood, you’re more than likely to bypass it altogether than end up in the middle of it.
Very contradictory argument. She was lost. She doesn't know the area like you do. You know where the car parks are, she doesn't. You don't know whereabouts she actually was parked, so don't know whether the village centre or car park sign-posts were visible. She was lost and probably stressed. The last thing she was probably inclined to do, was wander off her current course. By stopping, she could more easily explain what route she had taken and easily back-track if necessary. "how the heck she managed to land up in Marchwood on her way to Godshill, is beyond me" For the last time, she was lost .
She may have been lost but I take it as a driver she isn't blind and therefore could quite easily have seen sign posts to the many car parking spaces along Main Road.
My sympathy is more with the old man. There is more to this story than the Echo is reporting and this woman is playing the sympathy vote. This is such a one sided story.
Posted by: Dave, Winchester on 12:04pm Fri 15 Aug 08
Does anyone seriously reckon it went 'Oi, you're in my drive *SMACK*'?
Obviously, we are only guessing, but my view is that the bloke probably asked her to move and she kept refusing. probably got quite rude towards him too, even though she was entirely in the wrong.
Now, to park illegally - then have the nerve to phone the police AND then phone the Echo - it shows a certain mentality.
(And for anyone who says the 'The Echo contacted her...' it doesn't exactly look like she is arguing against have the photo taken, does it?)
Does anyone seriously reckon it went 'Oi, you're in my drive *SMACK*'?
Obviously, we are only guessing, but my view is that the bloke probably asked her to move and she kept refusing. probably got quite rude towards him too, even though she was entirely in the wrong.
Now, to park illegally - then have the nerve to phone the police AND then phone the Echo - it shows a certain mentality.
(And for anyone who says the 'The Echo contacted her...' it doesn't exactly look like she is arguing against have the photo taken, does it?)
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 12:21pm Fri 15 Aug 08
I bet this old grumpmeister is a regular poster in this very forum!
He was on the PC getting all worked up over various threads, flame-wars etc then looks out of the window to see some daft bird stuck in the drive.
Goes storming out and bangs the car window "Oi - are you Denzil??" BANG
I bet this old grumpmeister is a regular poster in this very forum!
He was on the PC getting all worked up over various threads, flame-wars etc then looks out of the window to see some daft bird stuck in the drive.
Goes storming out and bangs the car window "Oi - are you Denzil??" BANG
Posted by: Saddo on 12:28pm Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Get It Right George![/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Get It Right![/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Get it Right![/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jonno[/bold] wrote: I think he did to,but?? With me I would of just tap on the window after 5 mins,And pointed my thumb in a hop-it fashion.[/quote] I\\\\\\\'d have given her directions. Assuming she wasn\\\\\\\'t being a gobby cow or anything, of course[/quote] Assumption. Not a fact. Stick to the facts. Try it sometime.[/quote] Gonna do this all day, are we? I have stated what I would do, given a certain assumption. Perfectly valid. Try commenting on the story, rather than badgering people into a flamewar[/quote] Get rattled easy, don\'t yer. Not interested in assumptions. Assumptions are totally irrelavent to the subject - at- hand. Factually based, unflawed reasoned argument is all that counts in discussion or debate. Anything else is simply farting in the wind and wasting everyone\'s time. Flawless, reasoned debate is worthwhile. Try it sometime. Instead of getting all hot under the collar when anyone says anything you don\'t like to hear. Its a real World, George. Sometimes people are going to say things you dont like to hear. Getting angry is not healthy. Stick to the facts. Again, try it sometime and you will look less of a puffed up prat.[/quote] I\'m not getting hot under the collar, or angry. Those would be [italic]assumptions[/italic] on your part. If you\'re going to sit and constantly try and pick holes in someones point all day, under an assumed name, expect a reaction. That\'s what you\'re aiming for, after all. There\'s nothing wrong with me stating what I\'d do in a similar situation. That [bold]is[/bold] debate. If the entire story was clear-cut, there wouldn\'t be a debate, there would be a simple, correct truth about the matter: whether or not she was trespassing, and whether or not the ensuing alleged assault was justified. Given the lack of facts, all we can do is pontificate on what would or wouldn\'t be reasonable under different variables in this grey area. At least I am on-topic, rather than endlessly trying to pick fights with someone, anonymously. Today, it\'s me, because of some perceived slight. Tomorrow, you\'ll be after someone for having the audacity to make a spelling mistake. Try being a bit more concerned about [italic]what[/italic] is right, rather than [italic]who[/italic] is right[/quote] Nice try. But you are simply wriggling , George. Squirming. Poor response, George. You are losing your shine as well as losing your cool. You arrogantly and falsely, set yourself up as a self-proclaimed smug intelectual on this website, just so you could blow hot air and crap on anybody, any time you felt like it. You gloated gleefully at the public pillorying you subjected people to whom you considered inferior to you. You rubbished people with your incessant mantra: "stick to the facts". Where are they, George? Where are your blessed facts? I don't see any facts, George. I see a Hollow Man. Man of Straw. I'm not going to pick on anyone tomorrow, just you, now. You are a sham. Beneath the glib, bright exterior you are not a nice man. Many may have been fooled, even dazzled by your wordcraft and wit and wisdom. Not me. Game over, George. Its my ball. I'm taking it home. You lose. [/quote] I'm so glad you won this personal victory.
You can now go out into the streets your head held high, confidence brimming and know you've achieved something in life.
You must live a sad sad life. Enjoy.
Get It Right George! wrote:
George wrote: Get It Right! wrote: George wrote: Get it Right! wrote: George wrote: jonno wrote: I think he did to,but?? With me I would of just tap on the window after 5 mins,And pointed my thumb in a hop-it fashion.
I\\\\'d have given her directions. Assuming she wasn\\\\'t being a gobby cow or anything, of course
Assumption. Not a fact. Stick to the facts. Try it sometime.
Gonna do this all day, are we? I have stated what I would do, given a certain assumption. Perfectly valid. Try commenting on the story, rather than badgering people into a flamewar
Get rattled easy, don\'t yer. Not interested in assumptions. Assumptions are totally irrelavent to the subject - at- hand. Factually based, unflawed reasoned argument is all that counts in discussion or debate. Anything else is simply farting in the wind and wasting everyone\'s time. Flawless, reasoned debate is worthwhile. Try it sometime. Instead of getting all hot under the collar when anyone says anything you don\'t like to hear. Its a real World, George. Sometimes people are going to say things you dont like to hear. Getting angry is not healthy. Stick to the facts. Again, try it sometime and you will look less of a puffed up prat.
I\'m not getting hot under the collar, or angry. Those would be assumptions on your part. If you\'re going to sit and constantly try and pick holes in someones point all day, under an assumed name, expect a reaction. That\'s what you\'re aiming for, after all. There\'s nothing wrong with me stating what I\'d do in a similar situation. That is debate. If the entire story was clear-cut, there wouldn\'t be a debate, there would be a simple, correct truth about the matter: whether or not she was trespassing, and whether or not the ensuing alleged assault was justified. Given the lack of facts, all we can do is pontificate on what would or wouldn\'t be reasonable under different variables in this grey area. At least I am on-topic, rather than endlessly trying to pick fights with someone, anonymously. Today, it\'s me, because of some perceived slight. Tomorrow, you\'ll be after someone for having the audacity to make a spelling mistake. Try being a bit more concerned about what is right, rather than who is right
Nice try. But you are simply wriggling , George. Squirming. Poor response, George. You are losing your shine as well as losing your cool. You arrogantly and falsely, set yourself up as a self-proclaimed smug intelectual on this website, just so you could blow hot air and crap on anybody, any time you felt like it. You gloated gleefully at the public pillorying you subjected people to whom you considered inferior to you. You rubbished people with your incessant mantra: "stick to the facts". Where are they, George? Where are your blessed facts? I don't see any facts, George. I see a Hollow Man. Man of Straw. I'm not going to pick on anyone tomorrow, just you, now. You are a sham. Beneath the glib, bright exterior you are not a nice man. Many may have been fooled, even dazzled by your wordcraft and wit and wisdom. Not me. Game over, George. Its my ball. I'm taking it home. You lose.
I'm so glad you won this personal victory.
You can now go out into the streets your head held high, confidence brimming and know you've achieved something in life.
You must live a sad sad life. Enjoy.
Posted by: Bob, knows best! on 12:29pm Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jonno[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jonno[/bold] wrote: She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law[/quote] You\\\'re not allowed to use your own driveway? Since when? She wasn\\\'t blocking the entrance, she was actually on the driveway, which isn\\\'t the same thing, so the traffic law doesn\\\'t apply. As for trespass, well, since the trespass wasn\\\'t aggravated in any way, she merely parked there, that\\\'s a simple tort, rather than the \\\"crime\\\" of trespass - no police involvement. He failed to use reasonable force to move her from his property, ergo he was in the wrong. [/quote] Read the law.You are allowed to use your drive way but you not allowed to block it.(blocking it means blocking the entrance).The law no longer says reasonable force,It now says you can use force.The woman has broke the law,The guy has\'t.It is an offence to drive on some one drive way with out permission,Your not even allowed to use some driveway to turn round.What she should of done was pull up in between drive ways giving 1 meter clearance of any driveway entrance.[/quote] I think you need to read the law. It is NOT an offence to block someones driveway, in some cases (such as loading unloading) you are allowed to block it (for twenty minutes max). Just because you have a driveway does not entitle you to any right of way.
In the case of a dropped kerb the law around that is sketchy at best. The police may or may not tow a blocking vehicle depending on how much it is blocking the driveway, if the blocked person is disabled etc and whether the owner of the property has made adequate enquiries to find the owner of the blocking vehicle.
Just to get it clear, you don't have any rights to park in any road - the Road Traffic Acts say that any vehicle stationary on a road constitutes an obstruction - even the road outside your house and before anyone starts, just because you pay your 'Vehicle Excise Duty' it doesn't give you ANY rights to the road. The roads are paid for out of Council Tax and general taxation.
We're currently having this discussion in Bristol because of the introduction of controlled parking zones. Check out www.thisisbristol.co
.uk Tuesday of this week for more info.
No matter what way you look at it, punching someone for being in your driveway is a overreaction and should be punished appropriately.
jonno wrote:
George wrote: jonno wrote: She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law
You're not allowed to use your own driveway? Since when? She wasn't blocking the entrance, she was actually on the driveway, which isn't the same thing, so the traffic law doesn't apply. As for trespass, well, since the trespass wasn't aggravated in any way, she merely parked there, that's a simple tort, rather than the \\\"crime\\\" of trespass - no police involvement. He failed to use reasonable force to move her from his property, ergo he was in the wrong.
Read the law.You are allowed to use your drive way but you not allowed to block it.(blocking it means blocking the entrance).The law no longer says reasonable force,It now says you can use force.The woman has broke the law,The guy has\'t.It is an offence to drive on some one drive way with out permission,Your not even allowed to use some driveway to turn round.What she should of done was pull up in between drive ways giving 1 meter clearance of any driveway entrance.
I think you need to read the law. It is NOT an offence to block someones driveway, in some cases (such as loading unloading) you are allowed to block it (for twenty minutes max). Just because you have a driveway does not entitle you to any right of way.
In the case of a dropped kerb the law around that is sketchy at best. The police may or may not tow a blocking vehicle depending on how much it is blocking the driveway, if the blocked person is disabled etc and whether the owner of the property has made adequate enquiries to find the owner of the blocking vehicle.
Just to get it clear, you don't have any rights to park in any road - the Road Traffic Acts say that any vehicle stationary on a road constitutes an obstruction - even the road outside your house and before anyone starts, just because you pay your 'Vehicle Excise Duty' it doesn't give you ANY rights to the road. The roads are paid for out of Council Tax and general taxation.
We're currently having this discussion in Bristol because of the introduction of controlled parking zones. Check out www.thisisbristol.co
.uk Tuesday of this week for more info.
No matter what way you look at it, punching someone for being in your driveway is a overreaction and should be punished appropriately.
Posted by: George on 12:30pm Fri 15 Aug 08
Apologies for those actually interested in genuine comments, for the slew of "Get it Right"'s posts. I have no idea why this hero has such a bee in his bonnet about me, but apparently he'd prefer I discuss my own character in public than comment on the story. Go figure
Apologies for those actually interested in genuine comments, for the slew of "Get it Right"'s posts. I have no idea why this hero has such a bee in his bonnet about me, but apparently he'd prefer I discuss my own character in public than comment on the story. Go figure
Posted by: Marchwood Resident, Marchwood on 12:32pm Fri 15 Aug 08
Marchwood Resident, your presuming she was passing through the village she could have been infact been on the road by the incinerator which infact can have cars travelling at speed or on the road out of marchwood towards hythe which again has no where safe to pull over because of the curves in the road.
You are simply guessing she was in the centre of the village!
Marchwood Resident, your presuming she was passing through the village she could have been infact been on the road by the incinerator which infact can have cars travelling at speed or on the road out of marchwood towards hythe which again has no where safe to pull over because of the curves in the road.
You are simply guessing she was in the centre of the village!
Posted by: George on 12:33pm Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote]you are allowed to block it (for twenty minutes max)[/quote]
In the name of "factual accuracy": when I was a white van man (ducks inevitable thrown items) several traffic wardens told me that there isn't actually any time limit for loading and unloading mentioned in the law, but that it's at the discretion of the enforcer. In all honesty, I found most of them to be pretty reasonable about it.
you are allowed to block it (for twenty minutes max)
In the name of "factual accuracy": when I was a white van man (ducks inevitable thrown items) several traffic wardens told me that there isn't actually any time limit for loading and unloading mentioned in the law, but that it's at the discretion of the enforcer. In all honesty, I found most of them to be pretty reasonable about it.
Posted by: Sheitma Pance, Soton on 12:38pm Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jonno[/bold] wrote:
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law[/quote] Errr....exactly what law was broken..?
jonno wrote:
She broke the trespass laws and also broke a highway law.Your not even allowed to block your own driveway,let along block or drive on some else driveway.so there fore she has broke the law
Errr....exactly what law was broken..?
Posted by: Christoff on 12:41pm Fri 15 Aug 08
why doesn this sort of thing always happen to women? I wish the old git would try that with me. Would love to knock his teeth out
What a coward
why doesn this sort of thing always happen to women? I wish the old git would try that with me. Would love to knock his teeth out
What a coward
Posted by: Marchwood Resident, Marchwood on 12:42pm Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Marchwood Resident[/bold] wrote:
Marchwood Resident, your presuming she was passing through the village she could have been infact been on the road by the incinerator which infact can have cars travelling at speed or on the road out of marchwood towards hythe which again has no where safe to pull over because of the curves in the road. You are simply guessing she was in the centre of the village! [/quote] Well silly me - there was I assuming that the Main Road in question, was the Main Road going through the village, and not the distributor road going around the outside which comprises of Normandy Way and Oaklands Drive.
What a numpty you are. There is only ONE road called "Main Road" in Marchwood. And IF she was on the distributor road, she would have had to turn into a road to get onto a driveway. Go figure!
Marchwood Resident wrote:
Marchwood Resident, your presuming she was passing through the village she could have been infact been on the road by the incinerator which infact can have cars travelling at speed or on the road out of marchwood towards hythe which again has no where safe to pull over because of the curves in the road. You are simply guessing she was in the centre of the village!
Well silly me - there was I assuming that the Main Road in question, was the Main Road going through the village, and not the distributor road going around the outside which comprises of Normandy Way and Oaklands Drive.
What a numpty you are. There is only ONE road called "Main Road" in Marchwood. And IF she was on the distributor road, she would have had to turn into a road to get onto a driveway. Go figure!
Posted by: Iain, Lordshill on 12:44pm Fri 15 Aug 08
No idea how accurate this lady's story is. And no idea about the geography of the incident, nor the parking laws.
But, simple fact, if you're a man you don't hit women.
No idea how accurate this lady's story is. And no idea about the geography of the incident, nor the parking laws.
But, simple fact, if you're a man you don't hit women.
Posted by: susie, Hedge End on 12:48pm Fri 15 Aug 08
I am sorry but the claim that the echo journalist are lazy is utter tripe! I happen to know one myself and know that they studied hard for years to become a journalist and in these years gained a degree and did a year long jourbnalism course [bold]as well[/bold] as holding down a job as they weren't earning any money. So for two bit office workers who have no degrees and probably no skills to describe someone who has worked hard for years as lazy is just diabolical!i pity that fool! i do i do!get [bold][italic]your[/italic] [/bold] facts straight sir
I am sorry but the claim that the echo journalist are lazy is utter tripe! I happen to know one myself and know that they studied hard for years to become a journalist and in these years gained a degree and did a year long jourbnalism course
as well as holding down a job as they weren't earning any money. So for two bit office workers who have no degrees and probably no skills to describe someone who has worked hard for years as lazy is just diabolical!i pity that fool! i do i do!get
your facts straight sir
Posted by: jonno, on denzil drive way on 12:58pm Fri 15 Aug 08
It is an offence to block a drive way,drive ways are classed as a minor road at a T junction,And once you pass the drop kerb then your trespassing,Has for unloading or loading you can't do this to that's is breaking the law, the rule that you quoted applys to yellow lines.
It is an offence to block a drive way,drive ways are classed as a minor road at a T junction,And once you pass the drop kerb then your trespassing,Has for unloading or loading you can't do this to that's is breaking the law, the rule that you quoted applys to yellow lines.
Posted by: Ken, Stubbington on 1:00pm Fri 15 Aug 08
[quote][bold]jonno[/bold] wrote:
It is an offence to block a drive way,drive ways are classed as a minor road at a T junction,And once you pass the drop kerb then your trespassing,Has for unloading or loading you can't do this to that's is breaking the law, the rule that you quoted applys to yellow lines.[/quote] I'm sorry, but can anyone understand what he just said?
jonno wrote:
It is an offence to block a drive way,drive ways are classed as a minor road at a
