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FEARS have been raised over plans to bring in an army of "citizen snoopers" in a Hampshire town.
Eastleigh council is trying to recruit a league of volunteers to report litter louts, dog foulers, and people who even fail to sort out their rubbish properly.
The green watchdogs would also be responsible for encouraging neighbours to cut down on waste.
But critics have blasted the scheme, warning it could encourage a culture of bin spies and curtain twitchers - and end up putting neighbour against neighbour.
The borough is among a host of councils across the country that have caused a storm of controversy by trying to enlist local residents as so-called "spies" in their community.
Council chiefs insist the volunteers or "ambassadors" would not be reporting fellow residents, but on the lookout for graffiti and acts of vandalism. The advert appears in a council newsletter and reads: "Volunteers will be involved in reporting issues in their area such as recycling, waste, fly tipping, graffiti, dog fouling and abandoned vehicles."
And recruits would also be involved in the promotion of recycling and waste minimisation across the borough.
The council's Labour leader, Councillor Peter Luffman, feared the move could lead to unrest. He said: "It will create inter-neighbour conflict. If someone starts looking through your bin and then reports you to the council for what you have got in it, how would you react?
"It is bound to create community unrest. The vast majority of people within the borough support the principle of recycling. Having individuals snooping on other people will go against the goodwill of the local people who have supported recycling."
His views were echoed by fellow labour councillor Brian Norgate, who said there was no need to recruit volunteers when the Government had given extra help to councils in explaining recycling to people.
Conservative councillor Colin Davidovitz questioned what would happen to anyone found to not be complying with the council's rules on waste and recycling.
He said: "Are they to be fined or are they to be sent for re-education, or put in stocks outside council offices for people to throw rotting kitchen waste at? We need to know."
But Cllr House defended the idea, saying: "We are trying to improve the environment for everyone's benefit and the more people prepared to get involved the better. We want to protect the environment."
He said he did not know how many volunteers had been recruited yet but he said they would all be people who cared about the environment.
He said: "They will be there to report graffiti, abandoned vehicles and local vandalism but not to report on other individuals."
10:33am Monday 1st September 2008
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CommentPosted by: clair, Soton areas on 10:54am Mon 1 Sep 08
Unhappily this dustbin debacle is putting the cart before the horse! Initially, the Government should have put a firm hand on the retailers, producers of plastic type material, concentrated on the plastic contained fruit and veg (which incidentally are artificially treated)and all junk mail AND then approached the public after a reasonable amount of time. Of course, it is money and power - who's tail is wagging the dog? Power is a wonderful thing. I also have a feeling its the tail wagging the EU!!!!! again the big big rich guys. Fresh food could be contained in our English pastures - look around acres upon acres of fields are left and not one sheep or cow grazing - who on earth would be controlling this source of food?
clair
Unhappily this dustbin debacle is putting the cart before the horse! Initially, the Government should have put a firm hand on the retailers, producers of plastic type material, concentrated on the plastic contained fruit and veg (which incidentally are artificially treated)and all junk mail AND then approached the public after a reasonable amount of time. Of course, it is money and power - who's tail is wagging the dog? Power is a wonderful thing. I also have a feeling its the tail wagging the EU!!!!! again the big big rich guys. Fresh food could be contained in our English pastures - look around acres upon acres of fields are left and not one sheep or cow grazing - who on earth would be controlling this source of food?
clair
Posted by: Oscar on 11:01am Mon 1 Sep 08
I'm hiding in cllr Houses bin right now... do i get paid for it as part of the scheme?
I'm hiding in cllr Houses bin right now... do i get paid for it as part of the scheme?
Posted by: Citizen Soldier on 12:23pm Mon 1 Sep 08
This is a great idea, we could recruit people from the community to keep an eye on undesirable behaviour, or just those who look a bit dodgy and report them to the authorities so they can "check them out".
We could call them "State Trained Activists for Social Improvement", or STASI.
This is a great idea, we could recruit people from the community to keep an eye on undesirable behaviour, or just those who look a bit dodgy and report them to the authorities so they can "check them out".
We could call them "State Trained Activists for Social Improvement", or STASI.
Posted by: Andy, Locks Heath on 12:34pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Well said Clair. Enough material there to keep this thread going for days! I definitely agree that excessive centralisation leads to the crazy anonalies you describe and unfortunately we have a Government who think that centralisation, micro management right down to dictating what we put in our rubbish and spying on each other are the kind of healthy society we always wanted in the UK. A well known Georgian was also a fan of these things - Stalin.
Well said Clair. Enough material there to keep this thread going for days! I definitely agree that excessive centralisation leads to the crazy anonalies you describe and unfortunately we have a Government who think that centralisation, micro management right down to dictating what we put in our rubbish and spying on each other are the kind of healthy society we always wanted in the UK. A well known Georgian was also a fan of these things - Stalin.
Posted by: George on 12:46pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Brilliant idea! Now, nobody will trust anybody else any more! What a superb way to keep the populace distracted from real issues!
This country is doomed
Brilliant idea! Now, nobody will trust anybody else any more! What a superb way to keep the populace distracted from real issues!
This country is doomed
Posted by: General Malaise, Nearby on 12:49pm Mon 1 Sep 08
I take it Councillor Luffman does not approve of the government bringing in legislation to accredit individuals and commercial organisations to hand out on the spot fines, as this would be the next step for Eastleigh.
You'd quickly find some local jobsworth fining their neighbours because their bins were put out on the wrong day or some other trivial indiscretion.
People really need to start using their vote to stop this kind of idiocy.
It is the duty of the councillors to set policy and the duty of council officers/employees to implement policy.
Make the councillors do the job you want them to do and stop the jumped up little jobsworths in the council from annoying the hell out of the people they are supposed to serve.
I take it Councillor Luffman does not approve of the government bringing in legislation to accredit individuals and commercial organisations to hand out on the spot fines, as this would be the next step for Eastleigh.
You'd quickly find some local jobsworth fining their neighbours because their bins were put out on the wrong day or some other trivial indiscretion.
People really need to start using their vote to stop this kind of idiocy.
It is the duty of the councillors to set policy and the duty of council officers/employees to implement policy.
Make the councillors do the job you want them to do and stop the jumped up little jobsworths in the council from annoying the hell out of the people they are supposed to serve.
Posted by: mangobean, Eastleigh on 1:04pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]clair[/bold] wrote:
Unhappily this dustbin debacle is putting the cart before the horse! Initially, the Government should have put a firm hand on the retailers, producers of plastic type material, concentrated on the plastic contained fruit and veg (which incidentally are artificially treated)and all junk mail AND then approached the public after a reasonable amount of time. Of course, it is money and power - who's tail is wagging the dog? Power is a wonderful thing. I also have a feeling its the tail wagging the EU!!!!! again the big big rich guys. Fresh food could be contained in our English pastures - look around acres upon acres of fields are left and not one sheep or cow grazing - who on earth would be controlling this source of food? clair[/quote] Agreed.
How many people out there are [italic]still[/italic] putting the likes of orange juice cartons, ice cream tubs, margarine tubs etc. in the re-cycling bin?
These are every day commodities that obviously can't be composted so need to go in the houshould waste. With a lid down, no side waste policy, it's ridiculous.
Where possible I reuse tubs for the freezer or for the kids craft box, but I can only keep so many.
The government should be forcing the producers of these products to only use accepted recyclable material. I will now only buy the orange juice that comes in bottles like milk.
Most fresh food lasts longer in paper bags than plastic anyhow!
clair wrote:
Unhappily this dustbin debacle is putting the cart before the horse! Initially, the Government should have put a firm hand on the retailers, producers of plastic type material, concentrated on the plastic contained fruit and veg (which incidentally are artificially treated)and all junk mail AND then approached the public after a reasonable amount of time. Of course, it is money and power - who's tail is wagging the dog? Power is a wonderful thing. I also have a feeling its the tail wagging the EU!!!!! again the big big rich guys. Fresh food could be contained in our English pastures - look around acres upon acres of fields are left and not one sheep or cow grazing - who on earth would be controlling this source of food? clair
Agreed.
How many people out there are
still putting the likes of orange juice cartons, ice cream tubs, margarine tubs etc. in the re-cycling bin?
These are every day commodities that obviously can't be composted so need to go in the houshould waste. With a lid down, no side waste policy, it's ridiculous.
Where possible I reuse tubs for the freezer or for the kids craft box, but I can only keep so many.
The government should be forcing the producers of these products to only use accepted recyclable material. I will now only buy the orange juice that comes in bottles like milk.
Most fresh food lasts longer in paper bags than plastic anyhow!
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 1:24pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Andy[/bold] wrote:
Well said Clair. Enough material there to keep this thread going for days! I definitely agree that excessive centralisation leads to the crazy anonalies you describe and unfortunately we have a Government who think that centralisation, micro management right down to dictating what we put in our rubbish and spying on each other are the kind of healthy society we always wanted in the UK. A well known Georgian was also a fan of these things - Stalin. [/quote] Andy is right these methods were used by Stalin and also by Hitler. So now let us wait and see which will be the preferred option on Lib-Dem Keith House. Will he go for Gulags or concentration camps. Only way to avoid those is to vote Lib-Dems out at the earlist opportunity.
Andy wrote:
Well said Clair. Enough material there to keep this thread going for days! I definitely agree that excessive centralisation leads to the crazy anonalies you describe and unfortunately we have a Government who think that centralisation, micro management right down to dictating what we put in our rubbish and spying on each other are the kind of healthy society we always wanted in the UK. A well known Georgian was also a fan of these things - Stalin.
Andy is right these methods were used by Stalin and also by Hitler. So now let us wait and see which will be the preferred option on Lib-Dem Keith House. Will he go for Gulags or concentration camps. Only way to avoid those is to vote Lib-Dems out at the earlist opportunity.
Posted by: Denzil, Chilworth on 1:27pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less!
Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less!
Posted by: Rubbish on 1:55pm Mon 1 Sep 08
And when this scheme has proven to be successful they can then encourage members of the public to report drivers who use their mobiles behind the wheel without handsfree
And when this scheme has proven to be successful they can then encourage members of the public to report drivers who use their mobiles behind the wheel without handsfree
Posted by: Denzil you plum on 2:23pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote:
Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less![/quote] No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that
Denzil wrote:
Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less!
No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that
Posted by: Denzil, Chilworth on 3:00pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less![/quote] No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that[/quote] Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****
Denzil you plum wrote:
Denzil wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less!
No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that
Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****
Posted by: Denzil you plum on 3:24pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less![/quote] No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that[/quote] Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****[/quote] Go on then
Denzil wrote:
Denzil you plum wrote:
Denzil wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less!
No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that
Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****
Go on then
Posted by: Dr Alimantado on 3:27pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]clair[/bold] wrote:
Unhappily this dustbin debacle is putting the cart before the horse! Initially, the Government should have put a firm hand on the retailers, producers of plastic type material, concentrated on the plastic contained fruit and veg (which incidentally are artificially treated)and all junk mail AND then approached the public after a reasonable amount of time. Of course, it is money and power - who's tail is wagging the dog? Power is a wonderful thing. I also have a feeling its the tail wagging the EU!!!!! again the big big rich guys. Fresh food could be contained in our English pastures - look around acres upon acres of fields are left and not one sheep or cow grazing - who on earth would be controlling this source of food? clair[/quote] I agree with what you say about waste and packaging but I think the Echo may have been a little naughty.
The real story doesn't seem to be about bin snooping, more about uniting against anti social behaviour in general. This side of things I think our neighbourhoods DO need to unite on.
The pikey scum class is slowly taking over and the understaffed police force need us to be their eyes and ears to a certain extent.
Reporting anti social behaviour such as kids vandalising parks where I want to be able to take my little daughter is essential. (as an example)
If unchallenged, the ferals will assume what they do is acceptable when it isn't.
Obviously vigilante groups is no solution so something like this might help clear our neighbourhoods up.
United we stand and all that.
The bin thing is just pathetic though and I think, a Red Herring on this story.
I don't live in Beastleigh so I'm ok but they have the same problems as every other area.
clair wrote:
Unhappily this dustbin debacle is putting the cart before the horse! Initially, the Government should have put a firm hand on the retailers, producers of plastic type material, concentrated on the plastic contained fruit and veg (which incidentally are artificially treated)and all junk mail AND then approached the public after a reasonable amount of time. Of course, it is money and power - who's tail is wagging the dog? Power is a wonderful thing. I also have a feeling its the tail wagging the EU!!!!! again the big big rich guys. Fresh food could be contained in our English pastures - look around acres upon acres of fields are left and not one sheep or cow grazing - who on earth would be controlling this source of food? clair
I agree with what you say about waste and packaging but I think the Echo may have been a little naughty.
The real story doesn't seem to be about bin snooping, more about uniting against anti social behaviour in general. This side of things I think our neighbourhoods DO need to unite on.
The pikey scum class is slowly taking over and the understaffed police force need us to be their eyes and ears to a certain extent.
Reporting anti social behaviour such as kids vandalising parks where I want to be able to take my little daughter is essential. (as an example)
If unchallenged, the ferals will assume what they do is acceptable when it isn't.
Obviously vigilante groups is no solution so something like this might help clear our neighbourhoods up.
United we stand and all that.
The bin thing is just pathetic though and I think, a Red Herring on this story.
I don't live in Beastleigh so I'm ok but they have the same problems as every other area.
Posted by: Denzil, Chilworth on 3:36pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less![/quote] No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that[/quote] Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****[/quote] Go on then[/quote] Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.
Denzil you plum wrote:
Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less!
No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that
Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****
Go on then
Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.
Posted by: Denzil you plum on 3:58pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less![/quote] No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that[/quote] Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****[/quote] Go on then[/quote] Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.[/quote] Is this the same sat-nav that told you you live in Chilworth, when you gave it a postcode from the other side of Romsey? Nah, don't trust it
Denzil wrote:
Denzil you plum wrote:
Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less!
No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that
Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****
Go on then
Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.
Is this the same sat-nav that told you you live in Chilworth, when you gave it a postcode from the other side of Romsey? Nah, don't trust it
Posted by: me, england on 4:07pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
Brilliant idea! Now, nobody will trust anybody else any more! What a superb way to keep the populace distracted from real issues! This country is doomed[/quote] wow u have only just realised that the country is doomed why do u think all the locals are moving to foreign countries. this country has no idea of what to do anymore they havent had there priorities right for years now!
George wrote:
Brilliant idea! Now, nobody will trust anybody else any more! What a superb way to keep the populace distracted from real issues! This country is doomed
wow u have only just realised that the country is doomed why do u think all the locals are moving to foreign countries. this country has no idea of what to do anymore they havent had there priorities right for years now!
Posted by: Denzil, Chilworth on 4:17pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less![/quote] No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that[/quote] Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****[/quote] Go on then[/quote] Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.[/quote] Is this the same sat-nav that told you you live in Chilworth, when you gave it a postcode from the other side of Romsey? Nah, don't trust it[/quote] Up yours tosspot i could fit your whole house on my driveway. But then as its a box that wouldn't be difficult would it.
Denzil you plum wrote:
Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less!
No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that
Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****
Go on then
Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.
Is this the same sat-nav that told you you live in Chilworth, when you gave it a postcode from the other side of Romsey? Nah, don't trust it
Up yours tosspot i could fit your whole house on my driveway. But then as its a box that wouldn't be difficult would it.
Posted by: bacon butty, tied to my bed on 4:21pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Gooodd onee Denzill, excussee the typooos i'm using my nose.
Are wee stilll on for our reguularr date toonigght, iii neeed the ccash.
Gooodd onee Denzill, excussee the typooos i'm using my nose.
Are wee stilll on for our reguularr date toonigght, iii neeed the ccash.
Posted by: Denzil you plum on 4:22pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less![/quote] No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that[/quote] Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****[/quote] Go on then[/quote] Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.[/quote] Is this the same sat-nav that told you you live in Chilworth, when you gave it a postcode from the other side of Romsey? Nah, don't trust it[/quote] Up yours tosspot i could fit your whole house on my driveway. But then as its a box that wouldn't be difficult would it.[/quote] Your driveway? Or mummy and daddy's?
Denzil wrote:
Denzil you plum wrote:
Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less!
No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that
Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****
Go on then
Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.
Is this the same sat-nav that told you you live in Chilworth, when you gave it a postcode from the other side of Romsey? Nah, don't trust it
Up yours tosspot i could fit your whole house on my driveway. But then as its a box that wouldn't be difficult would it.
Your driveway? Or mummy and daddy's?
Posted by: Denzil, Chilworth on 4:26pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less![/quote] No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that[/quote] Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****[/quote] Go on then[/quote] Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.[/quote] Is this the same sat-nav that told you you live in Chilworth, when you gave it a postcode from the other side of Romsey? Nah, don't trust it[/quote] Up yours tosspot i could fit your whole house on my driveway. But then as its a box that wouldn't be difficult would it.[/quote] Your driveway? Or mummy and daddy's? [/quote] Ha you are so predictable its funny, going to come out with the same old tired cr@p about how i'm two people posting in a bedroom. Boring prdictable knobjockey with brains of rocking horse sh!t sums you up perfectly.
Denzil you plum wrote:
Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less!
No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that
Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****
Go on then
Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.
Is this the same sat-nav that told you you live in Chilworth, when you gave it a postcode from the other side of Romsey? Nah, don't trust it
Up yours tosspot i could fit your whole house on my driveway. But then as its a box that wouldn't be difficult would it.
Your driveway? Or mummy and daddy's?
Ha you are so predictable its funny, going to come out with the same old tired cr@p about how i'm two people posting in a bedroom. Boring prdictable knobjockey with brains of rocking horse sh!t sums you up perfectly.
Posted by: Denzil you plum on 4:32pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less![/quote] No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that[/quote] Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****[/quote] Go on then[/quote] Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.[/quote] Is this the same sat-nav that told you you live in Chilworth, when you gave it a postcode from the other side of Romsey? Nah, don't trust it[/quote] Up yours tosspot i could fit your whole house on my driveway. But then as its a box that wouldn't be difficult would it.[/quote] Your driveway? Or mummy and daddy's? [/quote] Ha you are so predictable its funny, going to come out with the same old tired cr@p about how i'm two people posting in a bedroom. Boring prdictable knobjockey with brains of rocking horse sh!t sums you up perfectly. [/quote] I do indeed have rare brains, don't I!
Of course I'm predictable, Denzil. The same things apply to you every day. Doesn't stop them being true
Denzil wrote:
Denzil you plum wrote:
Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less!
No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that
Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****
Go on then
Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.
Is this the same sat-nav that told you you live in Chilworth, when you gave it a postcode from the other side of Romsey? Nah, don't trust it
Up yours tosspot i could fit your whole house on my driveway. But then as its a box that wouldn't be difficult would it.
Your driveway? Or mummy and daddy's?
Ha you are so predictable its funny, going to come out with the same old tired cr@p about how i'm two people posting in a bedroom. Boring prdictable knobjockey with brains of rocking horse sh!t sums you up perfectly.
I do indeed have rare brains, don't I!
Of course I'm predictable, Denzil. The same things apply to you every day. Doesn't stop them being true
Posted by: now in the north, bolton, from southampton on 5:15pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Ridiculous, it will lead to more neighbour disputes than there are now! Even if, IF, it was a scheme dedicated to anit-social behaviour and graffiti (which it wont be! goven that parking wardens are soon to be given powers of arrest to include anti-social behaviour) they councils/police to sud all to enforce the powers given to them in situations such as asbo's and the like. What it will do is mean that more people can be fined without the cost of a waged individual and his uniform!
One of the biggest problems with anti-social behaviour is that the victims of the community no-longer stand together, they are all too busy hiding in their own corner! Bringing about more segregation with snoops will make that far worse.
What about the types who will opt for this job? We have an old man at the end of the road who has 13 cars, 3 parked on the road side. We aren't allowed to park there as they are his spots and when his son comes out of prison, he'll need the space another lady parks in and she'll have to move her car (his words), he has a cb radio that cuts out everything locally and that cranks up way about the houses like the winter hill mast! He's built a she on half of nextdoors garden (council) and threatened to kill me for cutting a tree (that he has hacked to bits) that is in my own garden! He seems to outsiders, the coucil and the like to be a decent guy, he'd be just the right candidate to make the rest of us here utterly miserable just for the power jump. And thats better for the community?
Ridiculous, it will lead to more neighbour disputes than there are now! Even if, IF, it was a scheme dedicated to anit-social behaviour and graffiti (which it wont be! goven that parking wardens are soon to be given powers of arrest to include anti-social behaviour) they councils/police to sud all to enforce the powers given to them in situations such as asbo's and the like. What it will do is mean that more people can be fined without the cost of a waged individual and his uniform!
One of the biggest problems with anti-social behaviour is that the victims of the community no-longer stand together, they are all too busy hiding in their own corner! Bringing about more segregation with snoops will make that far worse.
What about the types who will opt for this job? We have an old man at the end of the road who has 13 cars, 3 parked on the road side. We aren't allowed to park there as they are his spots and when his son comes out of prison, he'll need the space another lady parks in and she'll have to move her car (his words), he has a cb radio that cuts out everything locally and that cranks up way about the houses like the winter hill mast! He's built a she on half of nextdoors garden (council) and threatened to kill me for cutting a tree (that he has hacked to bits) that is in my own garden! He seems to outsiders, the coucil and the like to be a decent guy, he'd be just the right candidate to make the rest of us here utterly miserable just for the power jump. And thats better for the community?
Posted by: now in the north, bolton, from southampton on 5:16pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Anyway, I thought the point of the CLOSED LID rule was for health and safety reasons? Surely it would neither be healthy nor safe to lift them lids up and root about?
Anyway, I thought the point of the CLOSED LID rule was for health and safety reasons? Surely it would neither be healthy nor safe to lift them lids up and root about?
Posted by: dorothy, kansas on 7:17pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less![/quote] No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that[/quote] Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****[/quote] Go on then[/quote] Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.[/quote] Is this the same sat-nav that told you you live in Chilworth, when you gave it a postcode from the other side of Romsey? Nah, don't trust it[/quote] Up yours tosspot i could fit your whole house on my driveway. But then as its a box that wouldn't be difficult would it.[/quote] Your driveway? Or mummy and daddy's? [/quote] Ha you are so predictable its funny, going to come out with the same old tired cr@p about how i'm two people posting in a bedroom. Boring prdictable knobjockey with brains of rocking horse sh!t sums you up perfectly. [/quote] I do indeed have rare brains, don't I! Of course I'm predictable, Denzil. The same things apply to you every day. Doesn't stop them being true[/quote] I thought it was one person posting in her bedroom.
Denzil you plum wrote:
Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less!
No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that
Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****
Go on then
Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.
Is this the same sat-nav that told you you live in Chilworth, when you gave it a postcode from the other side of Romsey? Nah, don't trust it
Up yours tosspot i could fit your whole house on my driveway. But then as its a box that wouldn't be difficult would it.
Your driveway? Or mummy and daddy's?
Ha you are so predictable its funny, going to come out with the same old tired cr@p about how i'm two people posting in a bedroom. Boring prdictable knobjockey with brains of rocking horse sh!t sums you up perfectly.
I do indeed have rare brains, don't I! Of course I'm predictable, Denzil. The same things apply to you every day. Doesn't stop them being true
I thought it was one person posting in her bedroom.
Posted by: John, Beastly Eastleigh on 8:06pm Mon 1 Sep 08
"We could call them "State Trained Activists for Social Improvement", or STASI."
Beastly already has them, has had since the railway moved in, but their power has rather wained in recent years...
"The real story doesn't seem to be about bin snooping, more about uniting against anti social behaviour in general. This side of things I think our neighbourhoods DO need to unite on.
The pikey scum class is slowly taking over and the understaffed police force need us to be their eyes and ears to a certain extent.
If unchallenged, the ferals will assume what they do is acceptable when it isn't.
Obviously vigilante groups is no solution so something like this might help clear our neighbourhoods up."
The Police? Surely you jest, considering how some of them rely on pikey scum to act as vigilantes against their selected targets, I wonder just who's going to be shafting who here?
Beastly has been taken over by pikey scum from near and far, social services support them, the Police do rock all about them and their criminal activity, anyone stupid enough to think this will help with them is crazy, laws ONLY apply to the law abiding, ask those who've had run ins with the triads & eastern bloc mafia etc. on Eastleighs streets!
"We could call them "State Trained Activists for Social Improvement", or STASI."
Beastly already has them, has had since the railway moved in, but their power has rather wained in recent years...
"The real story doesn't seem to be about bin snooping, more about uniting against anti social behaviour in general. This side of things I think our neighbourhoods DO need to unite on.
The pikey scum class is slowly taking over and the understaffed police force need us to be their eyes and ears to a certain extent.
If unchallenged, the ferals will assume what they do is acceptable when it isn't.
Obviously vigilante groups is no solution so something like this might help clear our neighbourhoods up."
The Police? Surely you jest, considering how some of them rely on pikey scum to act as vigilantes against their selected targets, I wonder just who's going to be shafting who here?
Beastly has been taken over by pikey scum from near and far, social services support them, the Police do rock all about them and their criminal activity, anyone stupid enough to think this will help with them is crazy, laws ONLY apply to the law abiding, ask those who've had run ins with the triads & eastern bloc mafia etc. on Eastleighs streets!
Posted by: Outspoken, Southampton! on 8:34pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Isnt this already going on, are the people in the community not able to just concentrate on themselfs and what they are doing rather than having Mildred across the road watching your every movement, also slightly off the Subject this just seems another attack on the Teenagers, as if the councils dont know what is going on instead of recruiting Spie's they should be Spied on i mean seriously what do they do....
Excuse the spelling .J
Isnt this already going on, are the people in the community not able to just concentrate on themselfs and what they are doing rather than having Mildred across the road watching your every movement, also slightly off the Subject this just seems another attack on the Teenagers, as if the councils dont know what is going on instead of recruiting Spie's they should be Spied on i mean seriously what do they do....
Excuse the spelling .J
Posted by: Outspoken, Southampton! on 8:37pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Southampton is already THIRD most violent City in Britian, is this really going to improve the situation. I THINKS NOT!
Southampton is already THIRD most violent City in Britian, is this really going to improve the situation. I THINKS NOT!
Posted by: bacon butty, underdenzilsdesk on 8:43pm Mon 1 Sep 08
[quote][bold]dorothy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil you plum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less![/quote] No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that[/quote] Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****[/quote] Go on then[/quote] Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.[/quote] Is this the same sat-nav that told you you live in Chilworth, when you gave it a postcode from the other side of Romsey? Nah, don't trust it[/quote] Up yours tosspot i could fit your whole house on my driveway. But then as its a box that wouldn't be difficult would it.[/quote] Your driveway? Or mummy and daddy's? [/quote] Ha you are so predictable its funny, going to come out with the same old tired cr@p about how i'm two people posting in a bedroom. Boring prdictable knobjockey with brains of rocking horse sh!t sums you up perfectly. [/quote] I do indeed have rare brains, don't I! Of course I'm predictable, Denzil. The same things apply to you every day. Doesn't stop them being true[/quote] I thought it was one person posting in her bedroom. [/quote] He's male, though he does wear women's underwear, often soiled.
dorothy wrote:
Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Denzil you plum wrote: Denzil wrote: Anybody that reports my bins is for it i kill over less!
No you won't, no you don't. That would involve leaving the house, and we know you don't do that
Shut up you don't know nothing. I'll come round and see you then we'll see how hard you really are. You ****
Go on then
Fine put your postcode on here so i can put it in the sat-nav on my BMW then i can drive round yours and crimp one off on your driveway you plumbsack.
Is this the same sat-nav that told you you live in Chilworth, when you gave it a postcode from the other side of Romsey? Nah, don't trust it
Up yours tosspot i could fit your whole house on my driveway. But then as its a box that wouldn't be difficult would it.
Your driveway? Or mummy and daddy's?
Ha you are so predictable its funny, going to come out with the same old tired cr@p about how i'm two people posting in a bedroom. Boring prdictable knobjockey with brains of rocking horse sh!t sums you up perfectly.
I do indeed have rare brains, don't I! Of course I'm predictable, Denzil. The same things apply to you every day. Doesn't stop them being true
I thought it was one person posting in her bedroom.
He's male, though he does wear women's underwear, often soiled.
Posted by: JillyBee, Portswood on 10:08pm Mon 1 Sep 08
At last, someone's come up with a job Denzil could do - give him something to do all day. Although it would make some of these arguments a bit shorter, the standard of debates would probably improve!
At last, someone's come up with a job Denzil could do - give him something to do all day. Although it would make some of these arguments a bit shorter, the standard of debates would probably improve!
Posted by: Get it right, Hythe on 11:08pm Mon 1 Sep 08
Does anyone understand the wording of the Echo ballot question on this topic:
"Should councils to employ ‘snoopers’ who spy on neighbours’ bins?"?
Does anyone understand the wording of the Echo ballot question on this topic:
"Should councils to employ ‘snoopers’ who spy on neighbours’ bins?"?
Posted by: clair, Bin detectives on 11:59am Tue 2 Sep 08
Sadly, society reveals a sad, demented society - can I give you backward people, an arm to lean on - we are quite aware that a lot of you are needing help - goodness knows where do the real. 'withit' people deal with the really worrying aspect of keeping England going and at the same time trying to reach out to your sad minds? The bin inspectors will be a little demented - to offer themselves to spying. WE NEED TO STOP because society is better than this disquieting intrusion.
clair
clair
Sadly, society reveals a sad, demented society - can I give you backward people, an arm to lean on - we are quite aware that a lot of you are needing help - goodness knows where do the real. 'withit' people deal with the really worrying aspect of keeping England going and at the same time trying to reach out to your sad minds? The bin inspectors will be a little demented - to offer themselves to spying. WE NEED TO STOP because society is better than this disquieting intrusion.
clair
clair
Posted by: Oh dear, Eastleigh on 3:15pm Tue 2 Sep 08
This is just a standard The Echo getting it wrong and twisting things beyond belief article. The volunteers have nothing to do with anything the echo reported on, thats just all they could come up with to make it look remotely newsworthy...
This is just a standard The Echo getting it wrong and twisting things beyond belief article. The volunteers have nothing to do with anything the echo reported on, thats just all they could come up with to make it look remotely newsworthy...
Posted by: bobbyboy, eastern southampski on 11:25am Wed 3 Sep 08
welcome to the communist democractic state of un united kingdom At least the commies have more freedom than we now have, must go sound of jack boots comming and the drag of a net curtain the creak of a front door the whine of a video camera the chat on a mobile and the siren of the polizi must hide byyyyeeeeee!
welcome to the communist democractic state of un united kingdom At least the commies have more freedom than we now have, must go sound of jack boots comming and the drag of a net curtain the creak of a front door the whine of a video camera the chat on a mobile and the siren of the polizi must hide byyyyeeeeee!
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