POLICE hunting the murderer of Hampshire grandmother Georgina Edmonds have stepped up their investigation by using mobile phone technology to appeal for information directly from members of the public.
Picture messages were sent out to mobiles in Eastleigh with a picture of a man using Mrs Edmond's cash card at Tesco Express in Twyford Road.
The 77-year-old was found dead at her home in Brambridge on Friday, January 11 and one month into the investigation, police are still hunting her killer.
Detectives travelling around Eastleigh in a patrol car used a device to send messages out to Bluetooth enabled phones, and laptop computers reaching more than 225 people directly on Friday evening.
Detective Chief Inspector Paul Barton said: "We want to make sure we use all sources available to get our appeal across to as many people as possible. Using Bluetooth messaging is a new way of doing this.
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"Bluetooth messaging is particularly good at reaching sections of the community that don't access traditional marketing campaigns, such as young people," he added.
Anyone with any information about this incident should contact the Operation Columbian investigation team at Hulse Road on 0845 045 4545 or call Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.
Taking aside the need for the search of information, I would of thought,assuming they did not have e mail addresses, that sending unsolicited mail via a wireless laptop, constituted a form of computer hacking.
Taking aside the need for the search of information, I would of thought,assuming they did not have e mail addresses, that sending unsolicited mail via a wireless laptop, constituted a form of computer hacking.
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
Taking aside the need for the search of information, I would of thought,assuming they did not have e mail addresses, that sending unsolicited mail via a wireless laptop, constituted a form of computer hacking.[/quote] I think that phrase you're looking for is 'bluejacking'!
Ian wrote:
Taking aside the need for the search of information, I would of thought,assuming they did not have e mail addresses, that sending unsolicited mail via a wireless laptop, constituted a form of computer hacking.
I think that phrase you're looking for is 'bluejacking'!
[quote][bold]Josh[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote: Taking aside the need for the search of information, I would of thought,assuming they did not have e mail addresses, that sending unsolicited mail via a wireless laptop, constituted a form of computer hacking.[/quote] I think that phrase you're looking for is 'bluejacking'![/quote] Does bluejacking still work?
My phone always tells me when someone's trying to send a msg to me, and if I want to receive it. I always say no.
Josh wrote:
Ian wrote: Taking aside the need for the search of information, I would of thought,assuming they did not have e mail addresses, that sending unsolicited mail via a wireless laptop, constituted a form of computer hacking.
I think that phrase you're looking for is 'bluejacking'!
Does bluejacking still work?
My phone always tells me when someone's trying to send a msg to me, and if I want to receive it. I always say no.
Posted by: Char, Twyford Road, Eastleigh on 3:53pm Mon 11 Feb 08
I live between the access point on Twyford Road for the itchen river and the Garage where the Card was used, Yet i didnt receive any bluetooth messages from the Police even though my bluetooth is on permanently. Surely this area should have been targeted by the Police's Bluetooth Messaging.
I live between the access point on Twyford Road for the itchen river and the Garage where the Card was used, Yet i didnt receive any bluetooth messages from the Police even though my bluetooth is on permanently. Surely this area should have been targeted by the Police's Bluetooth Messaging.
Don't take this the wring way, I hope they catch the coward who did this but...
Does anyone else get the impression that the Police are getting desperate, with no real leads..?
Don't take this the wring way, I hope they catch the coward who did this but...
Does anyone else get the impression that the Police are getting desperate, with no real leads..?
[quote][bold]Chris Jackson[/bold] wrote:
They drove around in a patrol car sending multiple bluetooth messages? Good grief, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.[/quote] Cry - this has got to be one of the most stupid ideas I have ever heard of. What next an SMS to everyone living in an SO postcode?
Which means that they will then insist that all PAYG phones are correctly registered so that they know where you live. Another back door for the ID-card?
**** that's given them an idea.
Chris Jackson wrote:
They drove around in a patrol car sending multiple bluetooth messages? Good grief, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Cry - this has got to be one of the most stupid ideas I have ever heard of. What next an SMS to everyone living in an SO postcode?
Which means that they will then insist that all PAYG phones are correctly registered so that they know where you live. Another back door for the ID-card?
Posted by: Cazz, Sunny Southampton on 4:50pm Mon 11 Feb 08
I get the impression they've got some very strong leads. What they need is evidence that'll stand up in court (like an eyewitness to place a particular someone at the right place/time) to secure the conviction. If the killer's gone abroad they can't extradite without that.
Give the plods some credit. It's got to be really frustrating to have a good idea who dunnit but not be able to drag the scumbag back to face justice.
I get the impression they've got some very strong leads. What they need is evidence that'll stand up in court (like an eyewitness to place a particular someone at the right place/time) to secure the conviction. If the killer's gone abroad they can't extradite without that.
Give the plods some credit. It's got to be really frustrating to have a good idea who dunnit but not be able to drag the scumbag back to face justice.
[quote][bold]Adrian Smith[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Chris Jackson[/bold] wrote: They drove around in a patrol car sending multiple bluetooth messages? Good grief, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.[/quote] Cry - this has got to be one of the most stupid ideas I have ever heard of. What next an SMS to everyone living in an SO postcode? Which means that they will then insist that all PAYG phones are correctly registered so that they know where you live. Another back door for the ID-card? **** that's given them an idea.[/quote] **** = d a m n
Adrian Smith wrote:
Chris Jackson wrote: They drove around in a patrol car sending multiple bluetooth messages? Good grief, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Cry - this has got to be one of the most stupid ideas I have ever heard of. What next an SMS to everyone living in an SO postcode? Which means that they will then insist that all PAYG phones are correctly registered so that they know where you live. Another back door for the ID-card? **** that's given them an idea.
Posted by: mashed, Fareham on 8:02pm Mon 11 Feb 08
Ohhh police getting technical - about time! Bluetooth is a good idea because you can text everybody in one location and I guess it must be free.. quite clever for the people in Blue.
Although I must be watching too many films because I thought they'd have more sophisticated equipment...
Ohhh police getting technical - about time! Bluetooth is a good idea because you can text everybody in one location and I guess it must be free.. quite clever for the people in Blue.
Although I must be watching too many films because I thought they'd have more sophisticated equipment...
Posted by: Stan, Eastleigh on 9:39pm Mon 11 Feb 08
Scoff you may, but sometimes it only takes atiny stroke of luck or coincidence to open up new leads in a case, I applaud the police for using all available avenues open to them, pardon the pun but when they catch the scum, I hope it'll be Letsbe Avenue!
Scoff you may, but sometimes it only takes atiny stroke of luck or coincidence to open up new leads in a case, I applaud the police for using all available avenues open to them, pardon the pun but when they catch the scum, I hope it'll be Letsbe Avenue!
Posted by: Bill, Southampton on 1:19am Tue 12 Feb 08
Sorry, but what the hell is wrong with you people?
The police use relatively new technology as an extra way of communicating with potential witnesses and you lot act as though they're sending smoke signals.
Of course they should be using any and all means of communication open to them, overlooking any opportunity to gain any extra information would be unforgiveable.
It's not just about getting "leads" it's about getting as much substantive evidence as possible, no matter how small.
Sorry, but what the hell is wrong with you people?
The police use relatively new technology as an extra way of communicating with potential witnesses and you lot act as though they're sending smoke signals.
Of course they should be using any and all means of communication open to them, overlooking any opportunity to gain any extra information would be unforgiveable.
It's not just about getting "leads" it's about getting as much substantive evidence as possible, no matter how small.
[quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote:
Sorry, but what the hell is wrong with you people?
The police use relatively new technology as an extra way of
communicating with potential witnesses and you lot act as though
they're sending smoke signals.
Of course they should be using any and all means of communication open
to them, overlooking any opportunity to gain any extra information
would be unforgiveable.
It's not just about getting "leads" it's about getting as much
substantive evidence as possible, no matter how small.[/quote] Does this "any and all means" extend to activities that would be considered downright illegal if anyone else did it?
Bill wrote:
Sorry, but what the hell is wrong with you people?
The police use relatively new technology as an extra way of
communicating with potential witnesses and you lot act as though
they're sending smoke signals.
Of course they should be using any and all means of communication open
to them, overlooking any opportunity to gain any extra information
would be unforgiveable.
It's not just about getting "leads" it's about getting as much
substantive evidence as possible, no matter how small.
Does this "any and all means" extend to activities that would be considered downright illegal if anyone else did it?
[quote][bold]B. Mussolini[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote: Sorry, but what the hell is wrong with you people? The police use relatively new technology as an extra way of communicating with potential witnesses and you lot act as though they're sending smoke signals. Of course they should be using any and all means of communication open to them, overlooking any opportunity to gain any extra information would be unforgiveable. It's not just about getting "leads" it's about getting as much substantive evidence as possible, no matter how small.[/quote] Does this "any and all means" extend to activities that would be considered downright illegal if anyone else did it?[/quote] I am not sure that sending unsolicited Bluetooth sessions is actually illegal. Some advertisements actually use this. However many people get mobiles with BT turned off or at least set to prompt for connections. I think the Police over estimated how many people they actually delivered messages to.
I do think the exercise was a waste of time and money.
B. Mussolini wrote:
Bill wrote: Sorry, but what the hell is wrong with you people? The police use relatively new technology as an extra way of communicating with potential witnesses and you lot act as though they're sending smoke signals. Of course they should be using any and all means of communication open to them, overlooking any opportunity to gain any extra information would be unforgiveable. It's not just about getting "leads" it's about getting as much substantive evidence as possible, no matter how small.
Does this "any and all means" extend to activities that would be considered downright illegal if anyone else did it?
I am not sure that sending unsolicited Bluetooth sessions is actually illegal. Some advertisements actually use this. However many people get mobiles with BT turned off or at least set to prompt for connections. I think the Police over estimated how many people they actually delivered messages to.
I do think the exercise was a waste of time and money.
Posted by: Mashed, Eastleigh on 10:33am Tue 12 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Adrian Smith[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]B. Mussolini[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote: Sorry, but what the hell is wrong with you people? The police use relatively new technology as an extra way of communicating with potential witnesses and you lot act as though they're sending smoke signals. Of course they should be using any and all means of communication open to them, overlooking any opportunity to gain any extra information would be unforgiveable. It's not just about getting "leads" it's about getting as much substantive evidence as possible, no matter how small.[/quote] Does this "any and all means" extend to activities that would be considered downright illegal if anyone else did it?[/quote] I am not sure that sending unsolicited Bluetooth sessions is actually illegal. Some advertisements actually use this. However many people get mobiles with BT turned off or at least set to prompt for connections. I think the Police over estimated how many people they actually delivered messages to. I do think the exercise was a waste of time and money.[/quote] It is free you idiot - it didn't cost them anything just the officers time and maybe a bit of petrol! If police are partoling Beastleigh in a police car then it is a good thing - the Crims will stay indoors.
Adrian Smith wrote:
B. Mussolini wrote:
Bill wrote: Sorry, but what the hell is wrong with you people? The police use relatively new technology as an extra way of communicating with potential witnesses and you lot act as though they're sending smoke signals. Of course they should be using any and all means of communication open to them, overlooking any opportunity to gain any extra information would be unforgiveable. It's not just about getting "leads" it's about getting as much substantive evidence as possible, no matter how small.
Does this "any and all means" extend to activities that would be considered downright illegal if anyone else did it?
I am not sure that sending unsolicited Bluetooth sessions is actually illegal. Some advertisements actually use this. However many people get mobiles with BT turned off or at least set to prompt for connections. I think the Police over estimated how many people they actually delivered messages to. I do think the exercise was a waste of time and money.
It is free you idiot - it didn't cost them anything just the officers time and maybe a bit of petrol! If police are partoling Beastleigh in a police car then it is a good thing - the Crims will stay indoors.
[quote][bold]Mashed[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Adrian Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]B. Mussolini[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote: Sorry, but what the hell is wrong with you people? The police use relatively new technology as an extra way of communicating with potential witnesses and you lot act as though they're sending smoke signals. Of course they should be using any and all means of communication open to them, overlooking any opportunity to gain any extra information would be unforgiveable. It's not just about getting "leads" it's about getting as much substantive evidence as possible, no matter how small.[/quote] Does this "any and all means" extend to activities that would be considered downright illegal if anyone else did it?[/quote] I am not sure that sending unsolicited Bluetooth sessions is actually illegal. Some advertisements actually use this. However many people get mobiles with BT turned off or at least set to prompt for connections. I think the Police over estimated how many people they actually delivered messages to. I do think the exercise was a waste of time and money.[/quote] It is free you idiot - it didn't cost them anything just the officers time and maybe a bit of petrol! If police are partoling Beastleigh in a police car then it is a good thing - the Crims will stay indoors. [/quote] Idiot? You demonstrate why this forum needs moderation. I assume by free you mean the officers were not paid and the petrol was free. Now who's the idiot?
Mashed wrote:
Adrian Smith wrote:
B. Mussolini wrote:
Bill wrote: Sorry, but what the hell is wrong with you people? The police use relatively new technology as an extra way of communicating with potential witnesses and you lot act as though they're sending smoke signals. Of course they should be using any and all means of communication open to them, overlooking any opportunity to gain any extra information would be unforgiveable. It's not just about getting "leads" it's about getting as much substantive evidence as possible, no matter how small.
Does this "any and all means" extend to activities that would be considered downright illegal if anyone else did it?
I am not sure that sending unsolicited Bluetooth sessions is actually illegal. Some advertisements actually use this. However many people get mobiles with BT turned off or at least set to prompt for connections. I think the Police over estimated how many people they actually delivered messages to. I do think the exercise was a waste of time and money.
It is free you idiot - it didn't cost them anything just the officers time and maybe a bit of petrol! If police are partoling Beastleigh in a police car then it is a good thing - the Crims will stay indoors.
Idiot? You demonstrate why this forum needs moderation. I assume by free you mean the officers were not paid and the petrol was free. Now who's the idiot?
Posted by: char, Twyford Road, Eastleigh on 4:09pm Tue 12 Feb 08
Have any of you posting comments actually been to the area where the card was used. All there is regarding this incident is two posters, one either side of the lamp-post by the Cashpoint used. If you don't read the local paper or keep up to date on this web site you would have no idea of what had occured. Is that the best the Police can do???
Have any of you posting comments actually been to the area where the card was used. All there is regarding this incident is two posters, one either side of the lamp-post by the Cashpoint used. If you don't read the local paper or keep up to date on this web site you would have no idea of what had occured. Is that the best the Police can do???
Posted by: Inspector Gideon, The Yard on 5:12pm Tue 12 Feb 08
[quote][bold]char[/bold] wrote:
Have any of you posting comments actually been to the area where the card was used. All there is regarding this incident is two posters, one either side of the lamp-post by the Cashpoint used. If you don't read the local paper or keep up to date on this web site you would have no idea of what had occured. Is that the best the Police can do??? [/quote] At the end of the day the Police can do a number of things to trace the murderer without direct help from the Public.
They can trace those people who used the ATM before and after the murderer used it.
They can get a list of all mobile IMEI's registered on all local base stations before, during and after the murder. They can track those IMEI's with little difficulty and modern networks allow a degree of triangulation showing the location of the phone at any given time. The Police, having identified their suspect, only need to identify the others nearby during the murder using the same technique.
This isn't rocket science and I am sure the Police are using these techniques to find the murderer - toothing is just a waste of time and effort.
char wrote:
Have any of you posting comments actually been to the area where the card was used. All there is regarding this incident is two posters, one either side of the lamp-post by the Cashpoint used. If you don't read the local paper or keep up to date on this web site you would have no idea of what had occured. Is that the best the Police can do???
At the end of the day the Police can do a number of things to trace the murderer without direct help from the Public.
They can trace those people who used the ATM before and after the murderer used it.
They can get a list of all mobile IMEI's registered on all local base stations before, during and after the murder. They can track those IMEI's with little difficulty and modern networks allow a degree of triangulation showing the location of the phone at any given time. The Police, having identified their suspect, only need to identify the others nearby during the murder using the same technique.
This isn't rocket science and I am sure the Police are using these techniques to find the murderer - toothing is just a waste of time and effort.
[quote][bold]Adrian Smith[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Mashed[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Adrian Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]B. Mussolini[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote: Sorry, but what the hell is wrong with you people? The police use relatively new technology as an extra way of communicating with potential witnesses and you lot act as though they\'re sending smoke signals. Of course they should be using any and all means of communication open to them, overlooking any opportunity to gain any extra information would be unforgiveable. It\'s not just about getting \"leads\" it\'s about getting as much substantive evidence as possible, no matter how small.[/quote] Does this \"any and all means\" extend to activities that would be considered downright illegal if anyone else did it?[/quote] I am not sure that sending unsolicited Bluetooth sessions is actually illegal. Some advertisements actually use this. However many people get mobiles with BT turned off or at least set to prompt for connections. I think the Police over estimated how many people they actually delivered messages to. I do think the exercise was a waste of time and money.[/quote] It is free you idiot - it didn\'t cost them anything just the officers time and maybe a bit of petrol! If police are partoling Beastleigh in a police car then it is a good thing - the Crims will stay indoors. [/quote] Idiot? You demonstrate why this forum needs moderation. I assume by free you mean the officers were not paid and the petrol was free. Now who\'s the idiot?[/quote] did you not see the bit which says
[quote][italic][bold]"it didn't cost them anything just the officers time and maybe a bit of petrol"[/bold][/italic] [/quote]
If officers out on routine patrol are doing that at the same time its not really costing anymore than it would if they were not using Bluetooth
Adrian Smith wrote:
Mashed wrote:
Adrian Smith wrote:
B. Mussolini wrote:
Bill wrote: Sorry, but what the hell is wrong with you people? The police use relatively new technology as an extra way of communicating with potential witnesses and you lot act as though they\'re sending smoke signals. Of course they should be using any and all means of communication open to them, overlooking any opportunity to gain any extra information would be unforgiveable. It\'s not just about getting \"leads\" it\'s about getting as much substantive evidence as possible, no matter how small.
Does this \"any and all means\" extend to activities that would be considered downright illegal if anyone else did it?
I am not sure that sending unsolicited Bluetooth sessions is actually illegal. Some advertisements actually use this. However many people get mobiles with BT turned off or at least set to prompt for connections. I think the Police over estimated how many people they actually delivered messages to. I do think the exercise was a waste of time and money.
It is free you idiot - it didn\'t cost them anything just the officers time and maybe a bit of petrol! If police are partoling Beastleigh in a police car then it is a good thing - the Crims will stay indoors.
Idiot? You demonstrate why this forum needs moderation. I assume by free you mean the officers were not paid and the petrol was free. Now who\'s the idiot?
did you not see the bit which says
"it didn't cost them anything just the officers time and maybe a bit of petrol"
If officers out on routine patrol are doing that at the same time its not really costing anymore than it would if they were not using Bluetooth
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