THE most detailed map of Southampton ever drawn up has exposed the city's risk of devastating flash flooding.
The remarkable 3D image - accurate to within six inches - highlights the parts of the city most in danger of summer downpours like those that swamped city streets last month.
Environmental experts are warning that heavy storms will be more frequent as climate change takes effect.
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Southampton City Council last night called on the Government to help protect the homes, businesses and critical infrastructure most at risk.
See today's Daily Echo for a poster showing the areas of Southampton at risk.
Usual load of alarmist nonsense and fake science.
I bet more was spent putting this map and study together than was spent by the City Council and ABP dealing with the flooding problem on Millbrook Road (the problem that's been there for 30 years).
Usual load of alarmist nonsense and fake science.
I bet more was spent putting this map and study together than was spent by the City Council and ABP dealing with the flooding problem on Millbrook Road (the problem that's been there for 30 years).
[quote][bold]Green Godess[/bold] wrote:
Usual load of alarmist nonsense and fake science. I bet more was spent putting this map and study together than was spent by the City Council and ABP dealing with the flooding problem on Millbrook Road (the problem that's been there for 30 years).[/quote] ABP? I work for the water board and Im afraid to say the the flooding in Millbrook Road and the surrounding areas is nowt to do with ABP. The pump houes at the docks are there for ABP's use and not the councils. If the council were to have listened to us, then they wiould have know about the requirement to upgrade the drainage system around the twon expecially Milbbrook, Shirley etc
Green Godess wrote:
Usual load of alarmist nonsense and fake science. I bet more was spent putting this map and study together than was spent by the City Council and ABP dealing with the flooding problem on Millbrook Road (the problem that's been there for 30 years).
ABP? I work for the water board and Im afraid to say the the flooding in Millbrook Road and the surrounding areas is nowt to do with ABP. The pump houes at the docks are there for ABP's use and not the councils. If the council were to have listened to us, then they wiould have know about the requirement to upgrade the drainage system around the twon expecially Milbbrook, Shirley etc
Scaremongering as usual.
A bit hypocritical of the Council to call on the Government for help, when it is they who give the planning permission to build yet more flats, offices, roads etc and taking away the natural drainage.
Scaremongering as usual.
A bit hypocritical of the Council to call on the Government for help, when it is they who give the planning permission to build yet more flats, offices, roads etc and taking away the natural drainage.
Posted by: Drainage Engineer on 9:55am Wed 25 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Chris[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Green Godess[/bold] wrote: Usual load of alarmist nonsense and fake science. I bet more was spent putting this map and study together than was spent by the City Council and ABP dealing with the flooding problem on Millbrook Road (the problem that\'s been there for 30 years).[/quote] ABP? I work for the water board and Im afraid to say the the flooding in Millbrook Road and the surrounding areas is nowt to do with ABP. The pump houes at the docks are there for ABP\'s use and not the councils. If the council were to have listened to us, then they wiould have know about the requirement to upgrade the drainage system around the twon expecially Milbbrook, Shirley etc[/quote] But you own the main sewer, so you should upgade it.
Get it right mate.
Chris wrote:
Green Godess wrote: Usual load of alarmist nonsense and fake science. I bet more was spent putting this map and study together than was spent by the City Council and ABP dealing with the flooding problem on Millbrook Road (the problem that\'s been there for 30 years).
ABP? I work for the water board and Im afraid to say the the flooding in Millbrook Road and the surrounding areas is nowt to do with ABP. The pump houes at the docks are there for ABP\'s use and not the councils. If the council were to have listened to us, then they wiould have know about the requirement to upgrade the drainage system around the twon expecially Milbbrook, Shirley etc
But you own the main sewer, so you should upgade it.
Posted by: Holly, Southampton on 11:11am Wed 25 Jun 08
It is the duty of local government planning officers to ensure the infrastructure is in place before granting planning permission for yet more flats or houses. If this (central) government spent more time doing their job properly instead of punishing us with so called "green" taxes & creating a religion of global warming they would have legislated to ensure this was carried out correctly.
It is the duty of local government planning officers to ensure the infrastructure is in place before granting planning permission for yet more flats or houses. If this (central) government spent more time doing their job properly instead of punishing us with so called "green" taxes & creating a religion of global warming they would have legislated to ensure this was carried out correctly.
Posted by: nice on top, soton on 11:23am Wed 25 Jun 08
Let’s face it if Millbrook was to flood perhaps that would be an opportunity to make the ice rink we have been after for so long. Also in the summer we could have our lido back they were the days, ice rink & lido. So it’s not all bad news a chance for Millbrook to disappear altogether and an opportunity for a new ice rink & lido. JOY!!
Let’s face it if Millbrook was to flood perhaps that would be an opportunity to make the ice rink we have been after for so long. Also in the summer we could have our lido back they were the days, ice rink & lido. So it’s not all bad news a chance for Millbrook to disappear altogether and an opportunity for a new ice rink & lido. JOY!!
[quote][bold]CIity Gent[/bold] wrote:
Simple why not build a Barrier like they have on the Thames![/quote] How about stop using our cars to stop killing the planet and causing this weather shift? Why solve a problem with a major and costly construction project when a lifestyle change will stop this happening.
CIity Gent wrote:
Simple why not build a Barrier like they have on the Thames!
How about stop using our cars to stop killing the planet and causing this weather shift? Why solve a problem with a major and costly construction project when a lifestyle change will stop this happening.
[quote][bold]Mother Earth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]CIity Gent[/bold] wrote: Simple why not build a Barrier like they have on the Thames![/quote] How about stop using our cars to stop killing the planet and causing this weather shift? Why solve a problem with a major and costly construction project when a lifestyle change will stop this happening.[/quote] You talk utter garbage.
Have a nice day.
Mother Earth wrote:
CIity Gent wrote: Simple why not build a Barrier like they have on the Thames!
How about stop using our cars to stop killing the planet and causing this weather shift? Why solve a problem with a major and costly construction project when a lifestyle change will stop this happening.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 11:55am Wed 25 Jun 08
[quote][bold]lindy[/bold] wrote:
why dont people listen to these scientists they have a job for a reason its always the case of oh yes and then its too late[/quote] lindy they are not true scientists,they are more your tect scientists,another words they go on the info that is pass down to them,if this info is wrong in the first place like it is about global warming,you get the pyramid effect,
more and more people getting the wrong info
and using that that wrong info.
has for millbrook and redbridge it has all ways flooded just that the docks has made it worse than it should be,it was a flood plain up to 400 years ago
lindy wrote:
why dont people listen to these scientists they have a job for a reason its always the case of oh yes and then its too late
lindy they are not true scientists,they are more your tect scientists,another words they go on the info that is pass down to them,if this info is wrong in the first place like it is about global warming,you get the pyramid effect,
more and more people getting the wrong info
and using that that wrong info.
has for millbrook and redbridge it has all ways flooded just that the docks has made it worse than it should be,it was a flood plain up to 400 years ago
Posted by: Goard, Southampton area on 12:07pm Wed 25 Jun 08
Constructive thoughts would be much more useful, rather than idiotic remarks like some of the blogs who have a mind set of a'sit at home' mentality.
Goard
Constructive thoughts would be much more useful, rather than idiotic remarks like some of the blogs who have a mind set of a'sit at home' mentality.
Goard
Looking at the graphic above, it looks like the whole Centenary Quay site is set to be underwater.... at last, we have the reason they're building those high rise tower blocks!
Looking at the graphic above, it looks like the whole Centenary Quay site is set to be underwater.... at last, we have the reason they're building those high rise tower blocks!
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 12:32pm Wed 25 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Goard[/bold] wrote:
Constructive thoughts would be much more useful, rather than idiotic remarks like some of the blogs who have a mind set of a\'sit at home\' mentality.
Goard[/quote] hummm constuctive thought,how about moving the container port down between fawley and hythe on that marsh land,where the land rises quickly behide the marsh theres all ready a rail head there in little use,and then return the land to how it was back in the early 60's right up to redbridge quay,and put back the drainage ditch between western docks and rail line,this would go along way in helping the flooding problems in that area.
Goard wrote:
Constructive thoughts would be much more useful, rather than idiotic remarks like some of the blogs who have a mind set of a\'sit at home\' mentality.
Goard
hummm constuctive thought,how about moving the container port down between fawley and hythe on that marsh land,where the land rises quickly behide the marsh theres all ready a rail head there in little use,and then return the land to how it was back in the early 60's right up to redbridge quay,and put back the drainage ditch between western docks and rail line,this would go along way in helping the flooding problems in that area.
Posted by: Beer Monster, Hythe on 12:40pm Wed 25 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Neptune[/bold] wrote:
How nice to see that beaches get covered with water - when the tide comes in perhaps ?[/quote] Beaches? Didn't realise we had any
Your sentiments are correct though - it's a shame all that campaigning to save the wildlife habitat in Dibden Bay will have been in vain
Neptune wrote:
How nice to see that beaches get covered with water - when the tide comes in perhaps ?
Beaches? Didn't realise we had any
Your sentiments are correct though - it's a shame all that campaigning to save the wildlife habitat in Dibden Bay will have been in vain
Posted by: goard, Southampton area on 12:40pm Wed 25 Jun 08
As above, at last a constructive thought and should be considered - keep going, you could be the pre-decisions of the future - I am not being sarcatic - we need more and learn more if we are native. Best of luck!
goard.
As above, at last a constructive thought and should be considered - keep going, you could be the pre-decisions of the future - I am not being sarcatic - we need more and learn more if we are native. Best of luck!
goard.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 1:00pm Wed 25 Jun 08
beer monster said
"Beaches? Didn't realise we had any
Your sentiments are correct though - it's a shame all that campaigning to save the wildlife habitat in Dibden Bay will have been in vain"
i would not worry about dibden bay to much southampton docks only has bough rights and can not cross the city limits,it take the local council agreement to get across that side, and this is the reason why the docks got refused to build docks on that reclaim land,when they applyed to main goverment and got refused permission.
has for beaches up to 1920 some thing there was a beach that ran from the city walls right up to redbridge quay apart from millbook point marsh and again at redbridge ponit
beer monster said
"Beaches? Didn't realise we had any
Your sentiments are correct though - it's a shame all that campaigning to save the wildlife habitat in Dibden Bay will have been in vain"
i would not worry about dibden bay to much southampton docks only has bough rights and can not cross the city limits,it take the local council agreement to get across that side, and this is the reason why the docks got refused to build docks on that reclaim land,when they applyed to main goverment and got refused permission.
has for beaches up to 1920 some thing there was a beach that ran from the city walls right up to redbridge quay apart from millbook point marsh and again at redbridge ponit
Posted by: More clever than you on 1:12pm Wed 25 Jun 08
"How about stop using our cars to stop killing the planet and causing this weather shift?"
Presumably then you'll focus on corking the bottoms of all the world's cattle (for a start)? Also sources of poisonous gas!
"How about stop using our cars to stop killing the planet and causing this weather shift?"
Presumably then you'll focus on corking the bottoms of all the world's cattle (for a start)? Also sources of poisonous gas!
I would be grateful if someone could define what an "environmental expert" is. Is it (1). a puppet of the politicians, (2) a puppet of the media, (3) someone with a popular (ie easy) degree from a former polytechnic, or (4) someone who is unemployed and has to say he/she does something with their time? I should point out that the UN's committee on climate change were only prepared to say that they were "70% certain that climate change was most likely caused by mankind's activities". This doesn't sound very convincing when a large number of the "committee" had already resigned because of the dodgy science that was being presented as fact.
I would be grateful if someone could define what an "environmental expert" is. Is it (1). a puppet of the politicians, (2) a puppet of the media, (3) someone with a popular (ie easy) degree from a former polytechnic, or (4) someone who is unemployed and has to say he/she does something with their time? I should point out that the UN's committee on climate change were only prepared to say that they were "70% certain that climate change was most likely caused by mankind's activities". This doesn't sound very convincing when a large number of the "committee" had already resigned because of the dodgy science that was being presented as fact.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 2:49pm Wed 25 Jun 08
john said "I should point out that the UN's committee on climate change were only prepared to say that they were "70% certain that climate change was most likely caused by mankind's activities""
this is old hat, un now do not belive in this at all now,has there's been no average earth tempeture rise since 1998,due to the fact theres been no or very little sun flare's and the sun flares are not due to start building up again for another 2 to 3 years time
john said "I should point out that the UN's committee on climate change were only prepared to say that they were "70% certain that climate change was most likely caused by mankind's activities""
this is old hat, un now do not belive in this at all now,has there's been no average earth tempeture rise since 1998,due to the fact theres been no or very little sun flare's and the sun flares are not due to start building up again for another 2 to 3 years time
[quote][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
john said "I should point out that the UN's committee on climate change were only prepared to say that they were "70% certain that climate change was most likely caused by mankind's activities"" this is old hat, un now do not belive in this at all now,has there's been no average earth tempeture rise since 1998,due to the fact theres been no or very little sun flare's and the sun flares are not due to start building up again for another 2 to 3 years time[/quote] The cosmic activity that you may be refering to is very relevant to the argument. The flux of cosmic radiation is concentrated around the poles, and the coinciding of the magnetic poles with the rotational poles over the next few years is one (only one!) possible explanation for "perceived" climate change. Your posting however serves to reinforce that politicians and the media are propogating flakey science as fact, possibly for their own interests and mischief.
southy wrote:
john said "I should point out that the UN's committee on climate change were only prepared to say that they were "70% certain that climate change was most likely caused by mankind's activities"" this is old hat, un now do not belive in this at all now,has there's been no average earth tempeture rise since 1998,due to the fact theres been no or very little sun flare's and the sun flares are not due to start building up again for another 2 to 3 years time
The cosmic activity that you may be refering to is very relevant to the argument. The flux of cosmic radiation is concentrated around the poles, and the coinciding of the magnetic poles with the rotational poles over the next few years is one (only one!) possible explanation for "perceived" climate change. Your posting however serves to reinforce that politicians and the media are propogating flakey science as fact, possibly for their own interests and mischief.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 3:09pm Wed 25 Jun 08
john the sun has a average 11 year run with a 22 year cycle,plus the sun is expanding sooner or later the safe zone around the sun will move out of the earth orbit,it be then when the earth will slowly start to become like venus,another fact thats not included in the flooding is that the moon is moving away from the earth at a rate of 1cm a year,this reduces the hight of a spring tide by 1mm a year,there are lots of facts that dont get included when they should
john the sun has a average 11 year run with a 22 year cycle,plus the sun is expanding sooner or later the safe zone around the sun will move out of the earth orbit,it be then when the earth will slowly start to become like venus,another fact thats not included in the flooding is that the moon is moving away from the earth at a rate of 1cm a year,this reduces the hight of a spring tide by 1mm a year,there are lots of facts that dont get included when they should
[quote][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
john the sun has a average 11 year run with a 22 year cycle,plus the sun is expanding sooner or later the safe zone around the sun will move out of the earth orbit,it be then when the earth will slowly start to become like venus,another fact thats not included in the flooding is that the moon is moving away from the earth at a rate of 1cm a year,this reduces the hight of a spring tide by 1mm a year,there are lots of facts that dont get included when they should[/quote] Southy. Thank you for your contribution. I agree with you that a lot of information is being ignored, deliberately so I believe!
southy wrote:
john the sun has a average 11 year run with a 22 year cycle,plus the sun is expanding sooner or later the safe zone around the sun will move out of the earth orbit,it be then when the earth will slowly start to become like venus,another fact thats not included in the flooding is that the moon is moving away from the earth at a rate of 1cm a year,this reduces the hight of a spring tide by 1mm a year,there are lots of facts that dont get included when they should
Southy. Thank you for your contribution. I agree with you that a lot of information is being ignored, deliberately so I believe!
Posted by: S Stirrer, Millbrook on 6:20pm Wed 25 Jun 08
I was watching a programme on NatGeo channel the other day that said global warming would make England much more temperate; better weather for viniculture and other agroindustries*.
I'm off to buy a Chelsea Tractor....
*Not the kind of 'agro'industry you'd expect from Millbrook I hasten to add....
I was watching a programme on NatGeo channel the other day that said global warming would make England much more temperate; better weather for viniculture and other agroindustries*.
I'm off to buy a Chelsea Tractor....
*Not the kind of 'agro'industry you'd expect from Millbrook I hasten to add....
Posted by: Schindler's Lift, between floors on 6:58pm Wed 25 Jun 08
[quote][bold]CIity Gent[/bold] wrote:
Simple why not build a Barrier like they have on the Thames![/quote] The point is that Southampton's flooding isn't caused by tidal surges, it is caused by heavy rains and drainage that is too poor to deal with them. A tidal barrier would be pretty pointless.
CIity Gent wrote:
Simple why not build a Barrier like they have on the Thames!
The point is that Southampton's flooding isn't caused by tidal surges, it is caused by heavy rains and drainage that is too poor to deal with them. A tidal barrier would be pretty pointless.
Posted by: Bob444, Southampton on 7:01pm Wed 25 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Mother Earth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]CIity Gent[/bold] wrote:
Simple why not build a Barrier like they have on the Thames![/quote] How about stop using our cars to stop killing the planet and causing this weather shift? Why solve a problem with a major and costly construction project when a lifestyle change will stop this happening.[/quote] [bold]Hear hear![/bold]
Our lifestyles [bold]WILL[/bold] change, we will not have a choice.
Why are people so selfish, the world is not ours to mess up. Humans are not the only inhabitants.
Mother Earth wrote:
CIity Gent wrote:
Simple why not build a Barrier like they have on the Thames!
How about stop using our cars to stop killing the planet and causing this weather shift? Why solve a problem with a major and costly construction project when a lifestyle change will stop this happening.
Hear hear!
Our lifestyles WILL change, we will not have a choice.
Why are people so selfish, the world is not ours to mess up. Humans are not the only inhabitants.
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 8:05pm Wed 25 Jun 08
bob4444 said
"Hear hear!
Our lifestyles WILL change, we will not have a choice.
Why are people so selfish, the world is not ours to mess up. Humans are not the only inhabitants."
like any other living thing on this planet,thats is to multiply and to advance,if we dont advance and start living on other planets then we will be exstink way before the planet earth dies
bob4444 said
"Hear hear!
Our lifestyles WILL change, we will not have a choice.
Why are people so selfish, the world is not ours to mess up. Humans are not the only inhabitants."
like any other living thing on this planet,thats is to multiply and to advance,if we dont advance and start living on other planets then we will be exstink way before the planet earth dies
globle warming is total rubbish ,its a cycle a few years of warmth and few years of cooler weather across the globe the ice age will come again and i don't care what anyone says . so all this recycling, bio fuels and driving our cars is complete nonsence its all out to worry us ,i aint no hippy anyway if i do eat my words i'll be happy at the thought of pompey being underwater i'll be hiring a boat to the spike thing and p;ssing up against the blood y ugly thing .fcuk off pompey ,pompey fcuk off
globle warming is total rubbish ,its a cycle a few years of warmth and few years of cooler weather across the globe the ice age will come again and i don't care what anyone says . so all this recycling, bio fuels and driving our cars is complete nonsence its all out to worry us ,i aint no hippy anyway if i do eat my words i'll be happy at the thought of pompey being underwater i'll be hiring a boat to the spike thing and p;ssing up against the blood y ugly thing .fcuk off pompey ,pompey fcuk off
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