IT has become a waking
nightmare on a daily
basis.
Long tailbacks and lengthy
delays have become a regular
part of the journey to and from
work for Hampshire commuters
using the M27 and the queues of
cars have become a hotspot for
accidents which only aggravate
the problem.
Now angry motorists are urging
highway bosses to speed up
the roadworks between junctions
3 and 4, the major route linking
Southampton to the M3.
Fed-up drivers have demanded
that the Highways Agency finish
the 15-month project as early as
possible before they are projected
to end in May 2009.
The widening scheme is being
carried out while £18m climbing
lanes for slow vehicles are being
installed further along the M27 at
junctions 11 near Fareham and 12
at Portsmouth.
Problems escalating on surrounding
routes, including the
M271 which joins the M27 at junction
three for Nursling, have also
been reported as causing delays
of more than an hour for traffic
heading out of the city during
the morning commute to work.
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Denis Hilditch, of drivers' charity
Southampton Advanced
Motorists, described rush-hour
conditions on the motorway as
horrendous.
He said: "I really hope that the
Highways Agency are pulling out
all the stops to get the work done
as soon as possible to end this
misery. For the sake of the
motorists I hope that the work
doesn't last as long as proposed.
"One of the things that gets
people really annoyed is when we
have to face these
delays and there are clearly no
workmen doing anything.
"It's not the fault of the workmen
there but more the disorganisation
of the whole thing. Why
can't they carry out more work at
night and more people working
to get it done faster."
Businesses in Southampton are
also suffering from unpredictable
delays brought on by the
roadworks which the Highways
Agency warn drivers to expect
hold-ups of 15 to 20 minutes
while the work continues.
Nick Farthing, chairman of the
Southampton and Fareham
Chamber of Commerce's planning
and transport committee
said: "Unfortunately it only takes
one small incident to cause significant
traffic problems in both
directions and so the sooner the
work is completed the better."
A spokesman for Nurslingbased
haulage company
Meachers Transport added: "The
roadworks on the M27 are a real
problem. They are causing more
and more traffic backing up
along the M271. We are lucky
because our lorries are sent out
from early in the morning until
late at night, but the roadworks
have still affected us quite a lot."
Eastleigh MP Chris Huhne
agrees. He said: "I would urge
the Highways Agency to reexamine
the programme for
this work so that it doesn't
cause such a massive inconvenience
for people trying to
get to and from work."
He added that many businesses
were having extra costs
imposed on them because workers
were being held up in the
unpredictable traffic conditions.
"If the Highways Agency can
pay a bit more to get the job done
quickly and at times when it is
not causing more problems then I
think it would be money well
spent," he said.
The Highways Agency defended
the 15-month project which is on
schedule and within the £36m
budget.
A spokesman urged drivers to
be patient during the work which
is being carried out to ease congestion
on the route.
He said: "There is some work
that we are doing at night now.
However, much work is noisy and
not helpful to nearby residents if
done at night.
"Work of this kind is completed
more safely if carried out during
the day."
"On this scheme we typically
work from 7am to 7pm during the
week and from 7am to 12pm on
Saturday. The contractor will be
making more on the extended
daylight hours during the summer
period."
Posted by: toxteth o'grady on 9:44am Fri 16 May 08
I travel through these roadworks westbound each morning anytime from 6-30 to 8-30 & persdonally, although I think these roadworks are a complete waste of time, i rarely have any trouble going through them. In fact I would say reducing the speeds to 50 makes the traffic flow better than before the works were there. Eastbound in the evening also no problems.
I travel through these roadworks westbound each morning anytime from 6-30 to 8-30 & persdonally, although I think these roadworks are a complete waste of time, i rarely have any trouble going through them. In fact I would say reducing the speeds to 50 makes the traffic flow better than before the works were there. Eastbound in the evening also no problems.
[quote][bold]toxteth o'grady[/bold] wrote:
I travel through these roadworks westbound each morning anytime from 6-30 to 8-30 & persdonally, although I think these roadworks are a complete waste of time, i rarely have any trouble going through them. In fact I would say reducing the speeds to 50 makes the traffic flow better than before the works were there. Eastbound in the evening also no problems.[/quote] I too travel the length of the M27 at around 7:00am and 6:00 pm and think it is no worse than before.
Unlike Toxteth I think the extra lane will improve things.
How can people relaistically expect them to accelerate works and push the budget through the roof when belts are tightening in the current economical climate? Anyway the HA are hardly going to re-work their budget just because of a few mardy motorists.
GET A GRIP!
toxteth o'grady wrote:
I travel through these roadworks westbound each morning anytime from 6-30 to 8-30 & persdonally, although I think these roadworks are a complete waste of time, i rarely have any trouble going through them. In fact I would say reducing the speeds to 50 makes the traffic flow better than before the works were there. Eastbound in the evening also no problems.
I too travel the length of the M27 at around 7:00am and 6:00 pm and think it is no worse than before.
Unlike Toxteth I think the extra lane will improve things.
How can people relaistically expect them to accelerate works and push the budget through the roof when belts are tightening in the current economical climate? Anyway the HA are hardly going to re-work their budget just because of a few mardy motorists.
luckily I don't use the M27 on a daily basis but on the occassions I have used it, I have left probably 20 mins earlier than I normally would and apart from the slight hold up actually getting onto the motorway (at junc 2), it has been fine.
The real problems occur when there is an accident or breakdown.
luckily I don't use the M27 on a daily basis but on the occassions I have used it, I have left probably 20 mins earlier than I normally would and apart from the slight hold up actually getting onto the motorway (at junc 2), it has been fine.
The real problems occur when there is an accident or breakdown.
Posted by: Jasper, wimborne on 9:59am Fri 16 May 08
I agree with Toxteth that the 50 mile limit actually helps the traffic flow. I travel through between 6.30 and 8.00 every day and have only experienced the normal delays caused by accidents or breakdowns. Most of the accidents are probably due to people watching the roadworks rather than the traffic in front of them!
I agree with Toxteth that the 50 mile limit actually helps the traffic flow. I travel through between 6.30 and 8.00 every day and have only experienced the normal delays caused by accidents or breakdowns. Most of the accidents are probably due to people watching the roadworks rather than the traffic in front of them!
Posted by: Jasper, wimborne on 9:59am Fri 16 May 08
I agree with Toxteth that the 50 mile limit actually helps the traffic flow. I travel through between 6.30 and 8.00 every day and have only experienced the normal delays caused by accidents or breakdowns. Most of the accidents are probably due to people watching the roadworks rather than the traffic in front of them!
I agree with Toxteth that the 50 mile limit actually helps the traffic flow. I travel through between 6.30 and 8.00 every day and have only experienced the normal delays caused by accidents or breakdowns. Most of the accidents are probably due to people watching the roadworks rather than the traffic in front of them!
Posted by: Angry Driver, New Forest on 10:17am Fri 16 May 08
Everyday i have to travel on the M27 between 07.45 and 8.30... And i am close to having a nervous breakdown! The other morning what should of taken 30 minutes at most, took me 2 hours!!!! Between 8am and 9am are the worse times to travel on that road and no matter how early i leave i get stuck for ages and always late for work, and whats the point of someone saying leave earlier and be an hour early for work.... When there is an accident or breakdown it is a right mess, maybe they should look into working out how they can improve there system on clearing accidents and breakdowns quicker![italic]italic[/italic]
Everyday i have to travel on the M27 between 07.45 and 8.30... And i am close to having a nervous breakdown! The other morning what should of taken 30 minutes at most, took me 2 hours!!!! Between 8am and 9am are the worse times to travel on that road and no matter how early i leave i get stuck for ages and always late for work, and whats the point of someone saying leave earlier and be an hour early for work.... When there is an accident or breakdown it is a right mess, maybe they should look into working out how they can improve there system on clearing accidents and breakdowns quicker!
Where would the Echo be without a daily road "misery, crisis, nightmare" story?
I guess we'd then have "misery, crisis, nightmare" stories about the weather.
Where would the Echo be without a daily road "misery, crisis, nightmare" story?
I guess we'd then have "misery, crisis, nightmare" stories about the weather.
[quote][bold]Road Runner[/bold] wrote:
Where would the Echo be without a daily road "misery, crisis, nightmare" story? I guess we'd then have "misery, crisis, nightmare" stories about the weather.[/quote] I haven't seen a traffic story for ages, to be fair.
And I spend more time on here than most!
Road Runner wrote:
Where would the Echo be without a daily road "misery, crisis, nightmare" story? I guess we'd then have "misery, crisis, nightmare" stories about the weather.
I haven't seen a traffic story for ages, to be fair.
Posted by: Steve, Eastleigh on 10:59am Fri 16 May 08
I drive through at about 7.30am each morning and again at about 6.30 at night and, apart from the slow down to 50mph, haven't had any problems.
However, don't try going through at 11am on a sunny Saturday...
I drive through at about 7.30am each morning and again at about 6.30 at night and, apart from the slow down to 50mph, haven't had any problems.
However, don't try going through at 11am on a sunny Saturday...
Posted by: Andy, Locks Heath on 11:09am Fri 16 May 08
Has anyone noticed how ever since the Highways Agency decided to become self important and spend all our taxes on a huge fleet of 4x4s to drive pointlessly up and down our motorways, roadwork efficiency has declined in inveres proportion? You will never see contractors working after dark or at weekends any more, only the cones, chicanes and barriers remain guarding nobody. This is because there is now so much margin in their contracts they don't need to, and the incompetent self serving HA who are supposed to be driving cost efficiency are taken for a ride. So what do the Highways Agency think they are actually for, other than chauffering a handful of cones up and down the hard shoulder to put round come broken down car? All major road maintenance should be 24x7.
Has anyone noticed how ever since the Highways Agency decided to become self important and spend all our taxes on a huge fleet of 4x4s to drive pointlessly up and down our motorways, roadwork efficiency has declined in inveres proportion? You will never see contractors working after dark or at weekends any more, only the cones, chicanes and barriers remain guarding nobody. This is because there is now so much margin in their contracts they don't need to, and the incompetent self serving HA who are supposed to be driving cost efficiency are taken for a ride. So what do the Highways Agency think they are actually for, other than chauffering a handful of cones up and down the hard shoulder to put round come broken down car? All major road maintenance should be 24x7.
I do agree that speed limit help the traffic in general. I remember the time when there was a 50 mph restriction at a time of fuel crisis.
We have now a continuing fuel crisis, with price, and environmental problems as well.
I have expressed my opinion some other time about too many people speeding as a habit. There is a need for a political initiave to invite all drivers to stay wihin a reasonable speed limit. Too many drivers are over the 70 mph speed limit already. There should be a campaign to encourage people "not drinking" their fuel unnecerarely. It would save their money and help the environment.
60 mph is a good speed in ordinary circumstances on motor way, I suggest, unless there is an urgency to go faster.
I do agree that speed limit help the traffic in general. I remember the time when there was a 50 mph restriction at a time of fuel crisis.
We have now a continuing fuel crisis, with price, and environmental problems as well.
I have expressed my opinion some other time about too many people speeding as a habit. There is a need for a political initiave to invite all drivers to stay wihin a reasonable speed limit. Too many drivers are over the 70 mph speed limit already. There should be a campaign to encourage people "not drinking" their fuel unnecerarely. It would save their money and help the environment.
60 mph is a good speed in ordinary circumstances on motor way, I suggest, unless there is an urgency to go faster.
Posted by: toxteth o'grady on 11:52am Fri 16 May 08
Another point...apart from yesterdays motorcycle crash, there does seem far less accidents with the lower speed limit No Audi / BMW drivers braking at 90 mph & cutting across at 3 lanes to exit on to the M271 !!
Another point...apart from yesterdays motorcycle crash, there does seem far less accidents with the lower speed limit No Audi / BMW drivers braking at 90 mph & cutting across at 3 lanes to exit on to the M271 !!
They want to sort the daily delays on the M3 from winchester to Southampton - stop start every day at peak times!!
maybe they could get some signs prior to the split for the M27 on the M3 - the current signs tell you to get in lane when its too late!
They want to sort the daily delays on the M3 from winchester to Southampton - stop start every day at peak times!!
maybe they could get some signs prior to the split for the M27 on the M3 - the current signs tell you to get in lane when its too late!
[quote][bold]toxteth o'grady[/bold] wrote:
Another point...apart from yesterdays motorcycle crash, there does seem far less accidents with the lower speed limit No Audi / BMW drivers braking at 90 mph & cutting across at 3 lanes to exit on to the M271 !![/quote] Can't agree with you here Toxteh, us Audi drivers are the best in the world.
Thoroughly nice people too!
toxteth o'grady wrote:
Another point...apart from yesterdays motorcycle crash, there does seem far less accidents with the lower speed limit No Audi / BMW drivers braking at 90 mph & cutting across at 3 lanes to exit on to the M271 !!
Can't agree with you here Toxteh, us Audi drivers are the best in the world.
Posted by: cruger, upndownM27 on 12:53pm Fri 16 May 08
Well done toxteth and all the others, at last some genuine people ready to discuss issues instead of tedious jokes by the same old people.
I have to agree with the 50 mile an hour restriction, the traffic runs smoother. I have noticed drivers doing 80 - 90 mile an hour and leave it to the last minute before braking because they know where the yellow cameras are positioned, which can causes a lot of problems. I too wonder wether these cameras are working as usually the Daily Echo would have a story by now informing us of the number of drivers cuaght for speeding.
Anyone been caught yet?
Well done toxteth and all the others, at last some genuine people ready to discuss issues instead of tedious jokes by the same old people.
I have to agree with the 50 mile an hour restriction, the traffic runs smoother. I have noticed drivers doing 80 - 90 mile an hour and leave it to the last minute before braking because they know where the yellow cameras are positioned, which can causes a lot of problems. I too wonder wether these cameras are working as usually the Daily Echo would have a story by now informing us of the number of drivers cuaght for speeding.
Anyone been caught yet?
Posted by: Not yet, New Forest on 1:15pm Fri 16 May 08
Nope! Sadly i have gone over 50mph a few times and never had a ticket, I think the yellow camera's are to keep an eye on the road accidents, breakdown etc! i'm sure there is no sign's to say they are speed camera's, although i could be wrong... I [italic]italic[/italic] shall look on my way home.
Nope! Sadly i have gone over 50mph a few times and never had a ticket, I think the yellow camera's are to keep an eye on the road accidents, breakdown etc! i'm sure there is no sign's to say they are speed camera's, although i could be wrong... I shall look on my way home.
[quote]I have noticed drivers doing 80 - 90 mile an hour and leave it to the last minute before braking because they know where the yellow cameras are positioned[/quote]This seems a bit pointless as they are average speed cameras :/
I have noticed drivers doing 80 - 90 mile an hour and leave it to the last minute before braking because they know where the yellow cameras are positioned
This seems a bit pointless as they are average speed cameras :/
[quote]You will never see contractors working after dark or at weekends any more,[/quote]
I went past the raodworks Wednesday evening at 8pm and back again about 10.30pm and both times they were working. I have not seen then at weekends though.
You will never see contractors working after dark or at weekends any more,
I went past the raodworks Wednesday evening at 8pm and back again about 10.30pm and both times they were working. I have not seen then at weekends though.
[quote][bold]Les Point[/bold] wrote:
[quote]I have noticed drivers doing 80 - 90 mile an hour and leave it to the last minute before braking because they know where the yellow cameras are positioned[/quote]This seems a bit pointless as they are average speed cameras :/[/quote] Sorry, I meant they speed 80 - 90 miles an hour until just before they get to the first set of yellow cameras then they brake hard to 50 miles an hour and continue at 50 mph through the speed cameras.
Les Point wrote:
I have noticed drivers doing 80 - 90 mile an hour and leave it to the last minute before braking because they know where the yellow cameras are positioned
This seems a bit pointless as they are average speed cameras :/
Sorry, I meant they speed 80 - 90 miles an hour until just before they get to the first set of yellow cameras then they brake hard to 50 miles an hour and continue at 50 mph through the speed cameras.
[quote][bold]Not yet[/bold] wrote:
Nope! Sadly i have gone over 50mph a few times and never had a ticket, I think the yellow camera's are to keep an eye on the road accidents, breakdown etc! i'm sure there is no sign's to say they are speed camera's, although i could be wrong... I [italic]italic[/italic] shall look on my way home. [/quote] they are definately speed cameras but they don't appear like the normal ones as they are average speed cameras. I am sure I heard a story somewhere that the ones on the M27 stretch can't be enforced because they positioned them incorrectly, that maybe why nobody appears to have been caught yet?....However I could be wrong so don't start caning it through them!! Joking aside, I do actually think the narrow lanes and 50 limit has made the section safer and more free flowing.
Not yet wrote:
Nope! Sadly i have gone over 50mph a few times and never had a ticket, I think the yellow camera's are to keep an eye on the road accidents, breakdown etc! i'm sure there is no sign's to say they are speed camera's, although i could be wrong... I shall look on my way home.
they are definately speed cameras but they don't appear like the normal ones as they are average speed cameras. I am sure I heard a story somewhere that the ones on the M27 stretch can't be enforced because they positioned them incorrectly, that maybe why nobody appears to have been caught yet?....However I could be wrong so don't start caning it through them!! Joking aside, I do actually think the narrow lanes and 50 limit has made the section safer and more free flowing.
They are supposed to be widening the motorway aren't they? So why have they spent the last 3 months ripping up the central reservation and laying a bit of tarmac? Seems pointless to me and a total waste of money, they should open up the hard shoulder during rush hour, problemn sorted! However it appears that when common sense was being handed out the Highways Agency bosses were at the back of the queue!
They are supposed to be widening the motorway aren't they? So why have they spent the last 3 months ripping up the central reservation and laying a bit of tarmac? Seems pointless to me and a total waste of money, they should open up the hard shoulder during rush hour, problemn sorted! However it appears that when common sense was being handed out the Highways Agency bosses were at the back of the queue!
[quote][bold]Christoff[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Not yet[/bold] wrote: Nope! Sadly i have gone over 50mph a few times and never had a ticket, I think the yellow camera's are to keep an eye on the road accidents, breakdown etc! i'm sure there is no sign's to say they are speed camera's, although i could be wrong... I [italic]italic[/italic] shall look on my way home. [/quote] they are definately speed cameras but they don't appear like the normal ones as they are average speed cameras. I am sure I heard a story somewhere that the ones on the M27 stretch can't be enforced because they positioned them incorrectly, that maybe why nobody appears to have been caught yet?....However I could be wrong so don't start caning it through them!! Joking aside, I do actually think the narrow lanes and 50 limit has made the section safer and more free flowing. [/quote] That was only at the Fareham roadworks, not the ones at this end of the motorway.
Christoff wrote:
Not yet wrote: Nope! Sadly i have gone over 50mph a few times and never had a ticket, I think the yellow camera's are to keep an eye on the road accidents, breakdown etc! i'm sure there is no sign's to say they are speed camera's, although i could be wrong... I shall look on my way home.
they are definately speed cameras but they don't appear like the normal ones as they are average speed cameras. I am sure I heard a story somewhere that the ones on the M27 stretch can't be enforced because they positioned them incorrectly, that maybe why nobody appears to have been caught yet?....However I could be wrong so don't start caning it through them!! Joking aside, I do actually think the narrow lanes and 50 limit has made the section safer and more free flowing.
That was only at the Fareham roadworks, not the ones at this end of the motorway.
[quote][bold]Adrian Smith[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Christoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Not yet[/bold] wrote: Nope! Sadly i have gone over 50mph a few times and never had a ticket, I think the yellow camera's are to keep an eye on the road accidents, breakdown etc! i'm sure there is no sign's to say they are speed camera's, although i could be wrong... I [italic]italic[/italic] shall look on my way home. [/quote] they are definately speed cameras but they don't appear like the normal ones as they are average speed cameras. I am sure I heard a story somewhere that the ones on the M27 stretch can't be enforced because they positioned them incorrectly, that maybe why nobody appears to have been caught yet?....However I could be wrong so don't start caning it through them!! Joking aside, I do actually think the narrow lanes and 50 limit has made the section safer and more free flowing. [/quote] That was only at the Fareham roadworks, not the ones at this end of the motorway.[/quote] ah, ta
Adrian Smith wrote:
Christoff wrote:
Not yet wrote: Nope! Sadly i have gone over 50mph a few times and never had a ticket, I think the yellow camera's are to keep an eye on the road accidents, breakdown etc! i'm sure there is no sign's to say they are speed camera's, although i could be wrong... I shall look on my way home.
they are definately speed cameras but they don't appear like the normal ones as they are average speed cameras. I am sure I heard a story somewhere that the ones on the M27 stretch can't be enforced because they positioned them incorrectly, that maybe why nobody appears to have been caught yet?....However I could be wrong so don't start caning it through them!! Joking aside, I do actually think the narrow lanes and 50 limit has made the section safer and more free flowing.
That was only at the Fareham roadworks, not the ones at this end of the motorway.
Posted by: Jasper, wimborne on 3:25pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Jo[/bold] wrote:
[quote]You will never see contractors working after dark or at weekends any more,[/quote] I went past the raodworks Wednesday evening at 8pm and back again about 10.30pm and both times they were working. I have not seen then at weekends though.[/quote] I regularly drive through the roadworks early on a Sunday morning and have seen them working.
Jo wrote:
You will never see contractors working after dark or at weekends any more,
I went past the raodworks Wednesday evening at 8pm and back again about 10.30pm and both times they were working. I have not seen then at weekends though.
I regularly drive through the roadworks early on a Sunday morning and have seen them working.
I have just watched the video about the M271
I appears that two people from the echo set out in a car to take a video of the queues. They drove from the echo offices, down the m271 towards Romsey, over the M27, back onto the M271, down to the roundabout at the Romsey Golf club, then qued back up the M271 to head back towards the echo offices.
[bold]THIS IS APPALING[/bold]
I have just watched the video about the M271
I appears that two people from the echo set out in a car to take a video of the queues. They drove from the echo offices, down the m271 towards Romsey, over the M27, back onto the M271, down to the roundabout at the Romsey Golf club, then qued back up the M271 to head back towards the echo offices.
Posted by: ron westcott, bassett southampton on 4:19pm Fri 16 May 08
I totally agree with Andy from Locks Heath. The work should bo on the go 24/7. We are the paymasters and the H A should be working for our benefit.
How much is this fiasco of working "office" hours costing the local economy?
As regards the clock them in clock them out camera's typical Big Brother. If they are needed why not only when there is work actually going on?. Double persecution of the motorist. Mind you what do you expect in Hants Police area?
Roll on the new iniative when the Police are accountable to "local" people not the gong hangers on on the Police Authority. Jobs for the boys. No wonder our "ego" Head Constable is retiring. Good bye and mind the step on the way out my Council Tax bill doesn't reflext your poor performance.
I totally agree with Andy from Locks Heath. The work should bo on the go 24/7. We are the paymasters and the H A should be working for our benefit.
How much is this fiasco of working "office" hours costing the local economy?
As regards the clock them in clock them out camera's typical Big Brother. If they are needed why not only when there is work actually going on?. Double persecution of the motorist. Mind you what do you expect in Hants Police area?
Roll on the new iniative when the Police are accountable to "local" people not the gong hangers on on the Police Authority. Jobs for the boys. No wonder our "ego" Head Constable is retiring. Good bye and mind the step on the way out my Council Tax bill doesn't reflext your poor performance.
You lot just like a moan, nothing more nothing less
You moan about it being gridlock then you moan about average speed cameras.
How are these going to bother you if its gridlock?
You lot just like a moan, nothing more nothing less
You moan about it being gridlock then you moan about average speed cameras.
How are these going to bother you if its gridlock?
Posted by: colliwobbles, scummer on 4:31pm Fri 16 May 08
I drive my 18 tonner daily between 0700 an 0900 from j5 to j3 yes it does floe freely till you exit to go to Romsey then the roundabout is chocca with everybody including HGV's Trying to edge ahead blocking everyone else from exiting (seems to be the only time you use the left lane in order to turn right!)
Yellow peril cameras are determining your average speed from point entry to point exit in addition to the globe type that are monitoring traffic. They are number plate recognition cameras therefore no blue lights are needed penalty points and fine drop through your letter box (if they are truly operational) My guess is they are there to as a deterrent although I'm not going to risk it.
another note is during my rush hour trip from J5 to J3 average speed 40 mph and less than 5 mins.
The tarmac being laid along the central res is possibly for the same reason as fareham to po~~~y it will alow the traffic to continue to flow so they can concentrate on the hard shoulder sides of the motorway So all in all to date these works are just to prepare for the main works later.
Dont Quote I could be wrong just taking a natural assumption
I drive my 18 tonner daily between 0700 an 0900 from j5 to j3 yes it does floe freely till you exit to go to Romsey then the roundabout is chocca with everybody including HGV's Trying to edge ahead blocking everyone else from exiting (seems to be the only time you use the left lane in order to turn right!)
Yellow peril cameras are determining your average speed from point entry to point exit in addition to the globe type that are monitoring traffic. They are number plate recognition cameras therefore no blue lights are needed penalty points and fine drop through your letter box (if they are truly operational) My guess is they are there to as a deterrent although I'm not going to risk it.
another note is during my rush hour trip from J5 to J3 average speed 40 mph and less than 5 mins.
The tarmac being laid along the central res is possibly for the same reason as fareham to po~~~y it will alow the traffic to continue to flow so they can concentrate on the hard shoulder sides of the motorway So all in all to date these works are just to prepare for the main works later.
Dont Quote I could be wrong just taking a natural assumption
[quote][bold]paul b[/bold] wrote:
You lot just like a moan, nothing more nothing less
You moan about it being gridlock then you moan about average speed cameras.
How are these going to bother you if its gridlock?[/quote] That's rich from the guy who can't think of anything to say other than "I blame the unemployed" 99% of the time
paul b wrote:
You lot just like a moan, nothing more nothing less
You moan about it being gridlock then you moan about average speed cameras.
How are these going to bother you if its gridlock?
That's rich from the guy who can't think of anything to say other than "I blame the unemployed" 99% of the time
[quote][bold]Jules[/bold] wrote:
When the oil runs out in this world, we'll be going back to horse and carts. lol.[/quote] Thanks for posting your email address. I look forward to sending you reams and reams of junk for the rest of your life
Jules wrote:
When the oil runs out in this world, we'll be going back to horse and carts. lol.
Thanks for posting your email address. I look forward to sending you reams and reams of junk for the rest of your life
Posted by: Derek, Dibden Purlieu on 7:02pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Jules[/bold] wrote:
When the oil runs out in this world, we'll be going back to horse and carts. lol.[/quote] Will you still be laughing when the Doctor sets off on a horse to attend to you after you slip on a pile of horse ****?
Jules wrote:
When the oil runs out in this world, we'll be going back to horse and carts. lol.
Will you still be laughing when the Doctor sets off on a horse to attend to you after you slip on a pile of horse ****?
[quote][bold]mmmmm[/bold] wrote:
Can anyone tell hubby and I where the new lane is going? We often take that route and can't fathom out where it is going to go![/quote] are you allowed out without your carer?
mmmmm wrote:
Can anyone tell hubby and I where the new lane is going? We often take that route and can't fathom out where it is going to go!
Posted by: David Eddy, Bitterne on 11:59pm Fri 16 May 08
We recently loved from Eastleigh to Segensworth. We have a long term staff member who stuck with us through the move, but has resigned purely because of the time implications of the jams caused by the roadworks.
We recently loved from Eastleigh to Segensworth. We have a long term staff member who stuck with us through the move, but has resigned purely because of the time implications of the jams caused by the roadworks.
Don't see what the fuss is about, I travel regularly through both sets of Roadworks, at different times of the day & have not experienced a problem, apart from when there's an accident, or breakdown, which would cause a problem even if there were no Roadworks. The 50 mph limit makes the Traffic flow much better, as Toxteth pointed out earlier, indeed, the variable speed limit on the M25 works fantastically & has done for years. The Highways Agency are carrying out most of the work at night, when it's safer for the Tea Drinkers, sorry, workers, & are on schedule, for Chris Hune to suggest that they pay a bit more to finish it early, is absolutely ludicrous, as we would end up paying for it indirectly & furthermore, to suggest that it would be "Money well spent"........ for who...? And who is this driving organisation that have come out of the woodwork? have you got nothing better to do? don't hear from you when we get taxed to the hilt, pay the highest fuel prices in the world & then get told we might have to pay to park outside our own houses... where were you then...? The real issue here is simple, there is far to much traffic on our roads, mainly because there is no viable alternative method of travelling, due to years of no investment in the Railways & Maggie flogging them off in the first place.
If Chris Hune would like to take his blinkers off & exist in the real world, just take a trip to France. The roads are smooth, totally uncongested (as most of the freight goes by Rail)road Tax is, as it should be, included within fuel duty, so the more you drive, the more you pay, which is fair, oh & last but by no means least, a Litre of Diesel is around 85p..
Don't see what the fuss is about, I travel regularly through both sets of Roadworks, at different times of the day & have not experienced a problem, apart from when there's an accident, or breakdown, which would cause a problem even if there were no Roadworks. The 50 mph limit makes the Traffic flow much better, as Toxteth pointed out earlier, indeed, the variable speed limit on the M25 works fantastically & has done for years. The Highways Agency are carrying out most of the work at night, when it's safer for the Tea Drinkers, sorry, workers, & are on schedule, for Chris Hune to suggest that they pay a bit more to finish it early, is absolutely ludicrous, as we would end up paying for it indirectly & furthermore, to suggest that it would be "Money well spent"........ for who...? And who is this driving organisation that have come out of the woodwork? have you got nothing better to do? don't hear from you when we get taxed to the hilt, pay the highest fuel prices in the world & then get told we might have to pay to park outside our own houses... where were you then...? The real issue here is simple, there is far to much traffic on our roads, mainly because there is no viable alternative method of travelling, due to years of no investment in the Railways & Maggie flogging them off in the first place.
If Chris Hune would like to take his blinkers off & exist in the real world, just take a trip to France. The roads are smooth, totally uncongested (as most of the freight goes by Rail)road Tax is, as it should be, included within fuel duty, so the more you drive, the more you pay, which is fair, oh & last but by no means least, a Litre of Diesel is around 85p..
Posted by: Phil Elmes, Terrigal, Australia on 1:50am Sat 17 May 08
Here in Australia motorway roadworks are mainly carried out at night. By the start of the morning peak hour they have packed up and gone, meaning no delays. I have always wondered why motorway works in the UK are done during peak times, at peak periods of the year and often with no evidence of any work being done at all. Can somebody explain it?
Here in Australia motorway roadworks are mainly carried out at night. By the start of the morning peak hour they have packed up and gone, meaning no delays. I have always wondered why motorway works in the UK are done during peak times, at peak periods of the year and often with no evidence of any work being done at all. Can somebody explain it?
Posted by: fed up with M27 & 271, m/wood on 9:42am Sat 17 May 08
These works will be totally useless when completed. Mark my words! How can two lanes go into four lanes and back to two for a couple of miles work. It is total madness, what loony even dreamed this idea up in the first place? R&W will get a good payday though (£36m)I wish.
These works will be totally useless when completed. Mark my words! How can two lanes go into four lanes and back to two for a couple of miles work. It is total madness, what loony even dreamed this idea up in the first place? R&W will get a good payday though (£36m)I wish.
[quote][bold]fed up with M27 & 271[/bold] wrote:
These works will be totally useless when completed. Mark my words! How can two lanes go into four lanes and back to two for a couple of miles work. It is total madness, what loony even dreamed this idea up in the first place? R&W will get a good payday though (£36m)I wish.[/quote] R&W are not getting £36 million they are one subcontractor of a £36 million project.
fed up with M27 & 271 wrote:
These works will be totally useless when completed. Mark my words! How can two lanes go into four lanes and back to two for a couple of miles work. It is total madness, what loony even dreamed this idea up in the first place? R&W will get a good payday though (£36m)I wish.
R&W are not getting £36 million they are one subcontractor of a £36 million project.
[quote][bold]fed up with M27 & 271[/bold] wrote:
These works will be totally useless when completed. Mark my words! How can two lanes go into four lanes and back to two for a couple of miles work. It is total madness, what loony even dreamed this idea up in the first place? R&W will get a good payday though (£36m)I wish.[/quote] dont two lanes go onto the m3 and the other two the m27?
fed up with M27 & 271 wrote:
These works will be totally useless when completed. Mark my words! How can two lanes go into four lanes and back to two for a couple of miles work. It is total madness, what loony even dreamed this idea up in the first place? R&W will get a good payday though (£36m)I wish.
dont two lanes go onto the m3 and the other two the m27?
[quote][bold]Phil Elmes[/bold] wrote:
Here in Australia motorway roadworks are mainly carried out at night. By the start of the morning peak hour they have packed up and gone, meaning no delays. I have always wondered why motorway works in the UK are done during peak times, at peak periods of the year and often with no evidence of any work being done at all. Can somebody explain it?[/quote] It's too costly to put Traffic Management out and take it back in every night shift and it's not practical.
They are breaking out areas and infilling areas. For instance after they have broken out the central reserve it is not realistic that they can lay and compact the base course and the wearing course in one visit (unless they are working in very small patches - which isn't efficient, also the surface needs to be smooth, if you are doing little bits at a time it would be uneven).
That's a very basic example; it simply isn't workable on a job of this size to put your TM out do the work and take the TM back in.
Phil Elmes wrote:
Here in Australia motorway roadworks are mainly carried out at night. By the start of the morning peak hour they have packed up and gone, meaning no delays. I have always wondered why motorway works in the UK are done during peak times, at peak periods of the year and often with no evidence of any work being done at all. Can somebody explain it?
It's too costly to put Traffic Management out and take it back in every night shift and it's not practical.
They are breaking out areas and infilling areas. For instance after they have broken out the central reserve it is not realistic that they can lay and compact the base course and the wearing course in one visit (unless they are working in very small patches - which isn't efficient, also the surface needs to be smooth, if you are doing little bits at a time it would be uneven).
That's a very basic example; it simply isn't workable on a job of this size to put your TM out do the work and take the TM back in.
Posted by: Lewis Hamilton on 11:35am Sat 17 May 08
You can beat the average speed cameras by changing lanes e.g. enter past cameras in lane one and exit in lane three. You will notice that the cameras cover specific lanes.
You can beat the average speed cameras by changing lanes e.g. enter past cameras in lane one and exit in lane three. You will notice that the cameras cover specific lanes.
Posted by: Bowmore, Southampton on 5:44pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Lewis Hamilton[/bold] wrote:
You can beat the average speed cameras by changing lanes e.g. enter past cameras in lane one and exit in lane three. You will notice that the cameras cover specific lanes.[/quote] The computer checking the registration numbers captured by the cameras doesn't care which cameras clocked you in and out of the zone. If your average speed is over 50 changing lanes won't fool the system.
Lewis Hamilton wrote:
You can beat the average speed cameras by changing lanes e.g. enter past cameras in lane one and exit in lane three. You will notice that the cameras cover specific lanes.
The computer checking the registration numbers captured by the cameras doesn't care which cameras clocked you in and out of the zone. If your average speed is over 50 changing lanes won't fool the system.
[quote][bold]David Eddy[/bold] wrote:
We recently loved from Eastleigh to Segensworth. We have a long term staff member who stuck with us through the move, but has resigned purely because of the time implications of the jams caused by the roadworks.[/quote] How do you [bold]love[/bold] from Eastleigh to Segensworth, and can we all do it? The road workswould make it last longer. Pity there are no roadworks between Eastleigh and Segensworth to make it last longer!
David Eddy wrote:
We recently loved from Eastleigh to Segensworth. We have a long term staff member who stuck with us through the move, but has resigned purely because of the time implications of the jams caused by the roadworks.
How do you love from Eastleigh to Segensworth, and can we all do it? The road workswould make it last longer. Pity there are no roadworks between Eastleigh and Segensworth to make it last longer!
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