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Bid to charge drivers on M27 and M3
MOTORING organisations,
council bosses,
business chiefs
and MPs have queued
up to criticise plans
to charge drivers up
to £5 a time to use a
special fast lane on
Hampshire's motorways.
The Government is considering
introducing a toll lane
on a 16-mile stretch of the
M27 and M3 between Winchester,
Southampton and
Fareham, in a bid to cut congestion.
It would be modelled on an
American system where drivers
pay the equivalent of £5 to
use the toll lane at the busiest
times.
One Hampshire MP has
already called on drivers to
boycott the toll lane, which
council transport bosses and
motoring organisations have
described as a stealth tax.
The announcement has no
impact on the current widening
of the M27 between junctions
3 and 4 near Southampton
and junctions 11 and 12
between Fareham and
Portsmouth.
Transport Secretary Ruth
Kelly has said there could be a
blanket toll on all cars using
the extra lane or just on drivers
carrying no passengers.
Drivers who use the lane
typically get an electronic tag
that makes an automatic payment.
Romsey MP Sandra Gidley
said: "It's a classic example of
those with a bit more money
being able to secure preferential
service at a cost of a
delayed accident response to
those who are less well off.
"The Government is trying
to find extra revenue and I
hope that people boycott the
extra lane and keep it clear."
Transport for South Hampshire
- comprising Hampshire
County Council, Southampton
City Council and
Portsmouth City Council -
backs turning the hard shoulder
into a new lane, but is
against any form of congestion
charge.
Councillor Mel Kendal, the
chairman of the powerful
body, said: "It is an uneven
form of tax and the danger is
that in areas where it is introduced
it could kill local businesses
as people will try to
avoid it.''
Southampton and Fareham
Chamber of Commerce said it
would prefer to see congestion
measures other than tolls
used.
A Department for Transport
spokesman said a toll lane
would only be introduced
after full public consultation.
12:04pm Thursday 17th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: Wewullywinky on 9:16am Thu 17 Jul 08
One Hampshire MP has already called on drivers to boycott the toll lane,
So we should, we already pay to use the roads via our car tax and fuel tax and considering the rebandiong of vehicle licencing next year I think this is just another stealth tax in an already very difficult climate.
Also the motorway serves a purpose why should we all be forced off of it to use minor roads and increase congestion in rural areas and cities.
Typical one minded money grabbing attitude.
One Hampshire MP has already called on drivers to boycott the toll lane,
So we should, we already pay to use the roads via our car tax and fuel tax and considering the rebandiong of vehicle licencing next year I think this is just another stealth tax in an already very difficult climate.
Also the motorway serves a purpose why should we all be forced off of it to use minor roads and increase congestion in rural areas and cities.
Typical one minded money grabbing attitude.
Posted by: Christoff on 9:22am Thu 17 Jul 08
I love the way they try to make this 'special fast lane' sound like some sort of magical road that will get us all from a to b quickly...what a laugh. If it's just an extra lane on the motorway, it should be open for general use, not restricted so that £5 per journey can be generated. I doubt it will happen but really hope peole have the good sense to NEVER use it so the decision makers get a good slap in the face.
And where has £5 come from? Just because the yanks charge the equivalent of £5 that doesn't mean we should charge £5. No justification of cost whatsoever
I love the way they try to make this 'special fast lane' sound like some sort of magical road that will get us all from a to b quickly...what a laugh. If it's just an extra lane on the motorway, it should be open for general use, not restricted so that £5 per journey can be generated. I doubt it will happen but really hope peole have the good sense to NEVER use it so the decision makers get a good slap in the face.
And where has £5 come from? Just because the yanks charge the equivalent of £5 that doesn't mean we should charge £5. No justification of cost whatsoever
Posted by: motorist on 9:28am Thu 17 Jul 08
Most major USA cities designate one lane of their urban freeways as a HOV ( High Occupancy Vehicle) lane. Only vehicles containing two or more people can use the HOV lane. In rush hour traffic motorists using HOV lanes whizz past slow-crawling traffic, at legal speeds of 65mph. HOV lane use is free. It simply encourages car sharing during busy car commutes.
Most major USA cities designate one lane of their urban freeways as a HOV ( High Occupancy Vehicle) lane. Only vehicles containing two or more people can use the HOV lane. In rush hour traffic motorists using HOV lanes whizz past slow-crawling traffic, at legal speeds of 65mph. HOV lane use is free. It simply encourages car sharing during busy car commutes.
Posted by: Merckxy, Eastleigh on 9:31am Thu 17 Jul 08
Thats good we will be able to pay to go at 40 mph!
Thats good we will be able to pay to go at 40 mph!
Posted by: George on 9:32am Thu 17 Jul 08
Wonderful. Another tax. Yep, every single problem facing us today can be solved by either ripping motorists off again, or banning something
Wonderful. Another tax. Yep, every single problem facing us today can be solved by either ripping motorists off again, or banning something
Posted by: Christoff on 9:36am Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]motorist[/bold] wrote:
Most major USA cities designate one lane of their urban freeways as a HOV ( High Occupancy Vehicle) lane. Only vehicles containing two or more people can use the HOV lane. In rush hour traffic motorists using HOV lanes whizz past slow-crawling traffic, at legal speeds of 65mph. HOV lane use is free. It simply encourages car sharing during busy car commutes.[/quote] that actually sounds like a good idea
motorist wrote:
Most major USA cities designate one lane of their urban freeways as a HOV ( High Occupancy Vehicle) lane. Only vehicles containing two or more people can use the HOV lane. In rush hour traffic motorists using HOV lanes whizz past slow-crawling traffic, at legal speeds of 65mph. HOV lane use is free. It simply encourages car sharing during busy car commutes.
that actually sounds like a good idea
Posted by: Iain, Lordshill on 9:49am Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Christoff[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]motorist[/bold] wrote: Most major USA cities designate one lane of their urban freeways as a HOV ( High Occupancy Vehicle) lane. Only vehicles containing two or more people can use the HOV lane. In rush hour traffic motorists using HOV lanes whizz past slow-crawling traffic, at legal speeds of 65mph. HOV lane use is free. It simply encourages car sharing during busy car commutes.[/quote] that actually sounds like a good idea[/quote] ...until yet more police are diverted from their jobs to count car occupants instead...
Christoff wrote:
motorist wrote: Most major USA cities designate one lane of their urban freeways as a HOV ( High Occupancy Vehicle) lane. Only vehicles containing two or more people can use the HOV lane. In rush hour traffic motorists using HOV lanes whizz past slow-crawling traffic, at legal speeds of 65mph. HOV lane use is free. It simply encourages car sharing during busy car commutes.
that actually sounds like a good idea
...until yet more police are diverted from their jobs to count car occupants instead...
Posted by: J on 9:53am Thu 17 Jul 08
What a moronic idea. Surely an idea like this is going to create more congestion to the otherlanes. I would rather sit in a traffic jam than pay my self sick to get home quicker.
What's next? charge us for the air we breathe?
What a moronic idea. Surely an idea like this is going to create more congestion to the otherlanes. I would rather sit in a traffic jam than pay my self sick to get home quicker.
What's next? charge us for the air we breathe?
Posted by: Steve, Soton on 9:54am Thu 17 Jul 08
Perhaps they should use it as a slow lane and force the cranes and lorries that inisist on choking the motorway by doing less than 50mph (in some cases more like 30!) to pay for and use it at peak times.
In my experience, a significant amount of the congestion on the M3 is caused by one or more very slow moving vehicles effectively blocking a lane and causing bunching as the traffic is squeezed into the remaining lanes to go past.
Simpler maybe would be to ban vehicles that are unable to travel at at least 55mph along the length of the motorway during peak hours.
Perhaps they should use it as a slow lane and force the cranes and lorries that inisist on choking the motorway by doing less than 50mph (in some cases more like 30!) to pay for and use it at peak times.
In my experience, a significant amount of the congestion on the M3 is caused by one or more very slow moving vehicles effectively blocking a lane and causing bunching as the traffic is squeezed into the remaining lanes to go past.
Simpler maybe would be to ban vehicles that are unable to travel at at least 55mph along the length of the motorway during peak hours.
Posted by: Denzil, Chilworth on 10:05am Thu 17 Jul 08
It's bad enough working in fish land as it is, you shouldn't have to pay to work there.
It's bad enough working in fish land as it is, you shouldn't have to pay to work there.
Posted by: dave, Southampton on 10:09am Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Iain[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Christoff[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]motorist[/bold] wrote: Most major USA cities designate one lane of their urban freeways as a HOV ( High Occupancy Vehicle) lane. Only vehicles containing two or more people can use the HOV lane. In rush hour traffic motorists using HOV lanes whizz past slow-crawling traffic, at legal speeds of 65mph. HOV lane use is free. It simply encourages car sharing during busy car commutes.[/quote] that actually sounds like a good idea[/quote] ...until yet more police are diverted from their jobs to count car occupants instead...[/quote] Well seeing as the scheme uses cameras staffed by civilians that isn't really a problem.
But well done for trying to slate the idea already.
Iain wrote:
Christoff wrote:
motorist wrote: Most major USA cities designate one lane of their urban freeways as a HOV ( High Occupancy Vehicle) lane. Only vehicles containing two or more people can use the HOV lane. In rush hour traffic motorists using HOV lanes whizz past slow-crawling traffic, at legal speeds of 65mph. HOV lane use is free. It simply encourages car sharing during busy car commutes.
that actually sounds like a good idea
...until yet more police are diverted from their jobs to count car occupants instead...
Well seeing as the scheme uses cameras staffed by civilians that isn't really a problem.
But well done for trying to slate the idea already.
Posted by: baggy faced berk!, southampton on 10:09am Thu 17 Jul 08
are they going to abolish road tax then? don't we pay for the privilage of driving on the road already!
i just hope people boycott it! next we'll be charged extra for a steering wheel when you buy a car?
are they going to abolish road tax then? don't we pay for the privilage of driving on the road already!
i just hope people boycott it! next we'll be charged extra for a steering wheel when you buy a car?
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 10:11am Thu 17 Jul 08
there's no reason why goods cant use the rail for any thing over 20 miles away,then use smaller vans for local, under 20 miles,also get business to employ people that live the closes,or help the person to move so he or she lives with in a mile away
there's no reason why goods cant use the rail for any thing over 20 miles away,then use smaller vans for local, under 20 miles,also get business to employ people that live the closes,or help the person to move so he or she lives with in a mile away
Posted by: Denzil, my mums house - still on 10:16am Thu 17 Jul 08
I'm an insufferable pratt, aren't I!
I'm an insufferable pratt, aren't I!
Posted by: Nothing Changes, Southampton on 10:20am Thu 17 Jul 08
It's ok in the US where their freeways have 16 lanes so sparing a couple for this kind of thing doesn't matter! But returning the M3 to 2 lanes from Winchester right the way round to Fareham is madness and a step back 20 years!
It's ok in the US where their freeways have 16 lanes so sparing a couple for this kind of thing doesn't matter! But returning the M3 to 2 lanes from Winchester right the way round to Fareham is madness and a step back 20 years!
Posted by: Frank Spencer, Bishops Waltham on 10:23am Thu 17 Jul 08
...just try it. We'll have the A27 blocked up quicker than you can blink. Why? Because we can.
...just try it. We'll have the A27 blocked up quicker than you can blink. Why? Because we can.
Posted by: railway man, eastleigh on 10:36am Thu 17 Jul 08
Good old Southy, always entertaining but misguided.
Unfortunately due to restriction on rail pathways(passenger trains have priority)and high cost of operating, rail freight only makes sense in full wagon loads for distances beyond 150 miles.
Also if you have ever run a business you will know that you have to employ people on merit and not where they live. Also if I had a business at Chilworth Technical Park employing 100 can I afford to move them all to within walking distance of their work? I think not!!
Good old Southy, always entertaining but misguided.
Unfortunately due to restriction on rail pathways(passenger trains have priority)and high cost of operating, rail freight only makes sense in full wagon loads for distances beyond 150 miles.
Also if you have ever run a business you will know that you have to employ people on merit and not where they live. Also if I had a business at Chilworth Technical Park employing 100 can I afford to move them all to within walking distance of their work? I think not!!
Posted by: Gazza, Locks Heath on 10:53am Thu 17 Jul 08
Make it £10. Punish car drivers!
Make it £10. Punish car drivers!
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 10:55am Thu 17 Jul 08
then expect this toll in come in place,because it come to the stage when traffic will be well over the roads limit,where it might only take 30 mins to get into work it will end up taken them 2 to 3 hours to get into work,go to the swansea web site and look how many people have pass there driving test in the last few years,if your good at your maths then you should be able to work out a rough numbers of driving passes there will be in the next 5 years.
then expect this toll in come in place,because it come to the stage when traffic will be well over the roads limit,where it might only take 30 mins to get into work it will end up taken them 2 to 3 hours to get into work,go to the swansea web site and look how many people have pass there driving test in the last few years,if your good at your maths then you should be able to work out a rough numbers of driving passes there will be in the next 5 years.
Posted by: Persil Pete, Portswood on 11:03am Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
there's no reason why goods cant use the rail for any thing over 20 miles away,then use smaller vans for local, under 20 miles,also get business to employ people that live the closes,or help the person to move so he or she lives with in a mile away
[/quote] It started well, but you've lost me?
southy wrote:
there's no reason why goods cant use the rail for any thing over 20 miles away,then use smaller vans for local, under 20 miles,also get business to employ people that live the closes,or help the person to move so he or she lives with in a mile away
It started well, but you've lost me?
Posted by: Persil Pete, Portswood on 11:05am Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Nothing Changes[/bold] wrote:
It's ok in the US where their freeways have 16 lanes so sparing a couple for this kind of thing doesn't matter! But returning the M3 to 2 lanes from Winchester right the way round to Fareham is madness and a step back 20 years! [/quote] [bold]bold[/bold]
Does that mean the petrol will be more affordable?
Nothing Changes wrote:
It's ok in the US where their freeways have 16 lanes so sparing a couple for this kind of thing doesn't matter! But returning the M3 to 2 lanes from Winchester right the way round to Fareham is madness and a step back 20 years!
Does that mean the petrol will be more affordable?
Posted by: George on 11:16am Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Persil Pete[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Nothing Changes[/bold] wrote:
It's ok in the US where their freeways have 16 lanes so sparing a couple for this kind of thing doesn't matter! But returning the M3 to 2 lanes from Winchester right the way round to Fareham is madness and a step back 20 years! [/quote] [bold]bold[/bold]
Does that mean the petrol will be more affordable?[/quote] Of course not! Have you seen the cost of shillings these days?
Persil Pete wrote:
Nothing Changes wrote:
It's ok in the US where their freeways have 16 lanes so sparing a couple for this kind of thing doesn't matter! But returning the M3 to 2 lanes from Winchester right the way round to Fareham is madness and a step back 20 years!
Does that mean the petrol will be more affordable?
Of course not! Have you seen the cost of shillings these days?
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 11:35am Thu 17 Jul 08
morning ken
Posted by: Stuart Jebbitt, Eastleigh on 11:56am Thu 17 Jul 08
American Ideas don't translate to the UK. Why is this government so obsessed with following the mistakes of the States??? Obesity, Super Casinos, Fluoride, Invading Iraq... and now this?
Is it because our politicians like the Free Holidays they get other there?
This won't work here - it'll be, excuse the pun, Carnage!
Answer: Make the Trains cheap enough to be viable and we'll all use them, leaving the roads free for people who really do have to drive because it's part of their job.
American Ideas don't translate to the UK. Why is this government so obsessed with following the mistakes of the States??? Obesity, Super Casinos, Fluoride, Invading Iraq... and now this?
Is it because our politicians like the Free Holidays they get other there?
This won't work here - it'll be, excuse the pun, Carnage!
Answer: Make the Trains cheap enough to be viable and we'll all use them, leaving the roads free for people who really do have to drive because it's part of their job.
Posted by: Bambi on 12:01pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote]American Ideas don't translate to the UK.[/quote]
Something of a broad generalisation, that
American Ideas don't translate to the UK.
Something of a broad generalisation, that
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 12:12pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Stuart Jebbitt[/bold] wrote:
American Ideas don\'t translate to the UK. Why is this government so obsessed with following the mistakes of the States??? Obesity, Super Casinos, Fluoride, Invading Iraq... and now this?
Is it because our politicians like the Free Holidays they get other there?
This won\'t work here - it\'ll be, excuse the pun, Carnage!
Answer: Make the Trains cheap enough to be viable and we\'ll all use them, leaving the roads free for people who really do have to drive because it\'s part of their job.
[/quote] this is very true,some else that started back in the 80's goverment,it privatize every thing that it could.
Stuart Jebbitt wrote:
American Ideas don\'t translate to the UK. Why is this government so obsessed with following the mistakes of the States??? Obesity, Super Casinos, Fluoride, Invading Iraq... and now this?
Is it because our politicians like the Free Holidays they get other there?
This won\'t work here - it\'ll be, excuse the pun, Carnage!
Answer: Make the Trains cheap enough to be viable and we\'ll all use them, leaving the roads free for people who really do have to drive because it\'s part of their job.
this is very true,some else that started back in the 80's goverment,it privatize every thing that it could.
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 12:33pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[bold]Highway robbery by New Labour?[/bold]
Highway robbery by New Labour?
Posted by: Costa Baz on 12:33pm Thu 17 Jul 08
'Transport Secretary Ruth Kelly has said there could be a blanket toll on all cars using the extra lane or just on drivers carrying no passengers.'
'Drivers who use the lane typically get an electronic tag that makes an automatic payment.'
So, if a car enters the fast lane then leaves it and re-enters it further down the motorway, will it be charged once to cover the entire journey or charged for each occasion it enters the fast lane?
'Transport Secretary Ruth Kelly has said there could be a blanket toll on all cars using the extra lane or just on drivers carrying no passengers.'
'Drivers who use the lane typically get an electronic tag that makes an automatic payment.'
So, if a car enters the fast lane then leaves it and re-enters it further down the motorway, will it be charged once to cover the entire journey or charged for each occasion it enters the fast lane?
Posted by: Jonny7, Bitterne on 1:06pm Thu 17 Jul 08
This will become the BMW lane and will at least save us from having our rear view mirrors filled with 'get out of my way underling' BMW drivers. Then, they'll build an additional, additional lane called 'the race track' for white vans to drive at 90mph, bumper to bumper. Then, the rest of us can gt on and drive in accordance with the highway bl**dy code.
This will become the BMW lane and will at least save us from having our rear view mirrors filled with 'get out of my way underling' BMW drivers. Then, they'll build an additional, additional lane called 'the race track' for white vans to drive at 90mph, bumper to bumper. Then, the rest of us can gt on and drive in accordance with the highway bl**dy code.
Posted by: Really Fed Up, Chandlers Ford on 1:28pm Thu 17 Jul 08
I live in Southampton. Because I work in the Telecoms industry most Telecom companies are based in Basingstoke or Farnborough. I have no choice to commute and before anyone tree hugging Labour loving idiot suggest I move, my salary wouldn't get me a mortgage on a one bedroom appartment, PLUS its cheaper and quicker to use my car than the buses and trains. So how does having a lane that most peole will bouycot reduce congestion?? It wont it will only increase it as everyone will be crammed into the remaining lanes.....add in the middle lane drivers who just wont move into the left lane then this really is the most moronic idea that LABOUR have come up with to ease congestion. One question I'd like to as to Ruth Kelly......what the hell are you doing in your cabinet meetings? Has she not heard about the finiancial difficulties that most house holds are experienecing.......
and her solution to help us all is to place a £5 a day tax on the M27 & M3. Genius. Ruth Kelly for Prime Minister.
I live in Southampton. Because I work in the Telecoms industry most Telecom companies are based in Basingstoke or Farnborough. I have no choice to commute and before anyone tree hugging Labour loving idiot suggest I move, my salary wouldn't get me a mortgage on a one bedroom appartment, PLUS its cheaper and quicker to use my car than the buses and trains. So how does having a lane that most peole will bouycot reduce congestion?? It wont it will only increase it as everyone will be crammed into the remaining lanes.....add in the middle lane drivers who just wont move into the left lane then this really is the most moronic idea that LABOUR have come up with to ease congestion. One question I'd like to as to Ruth Kelly......what the hell are you doing in your cabinet meetings? Has she not heard about the finiancial difficulties that most house holds are experienecing.......
and her solution to help us all is to place a £5 a day tax on the M27 & M3. Genius. Ruth Kelly for Prime Minister.
Posted by: mr loaded, big house chilworth on 1:35pm Thu 17 Jul 08
what a fantastic idea!! keep the scum and peasants in old rubbish cars like fords and renaults in the slow lanes and let us rich people in mercs and bentleys to cruise unhinderd down our own lane! and bring back fox hunting hooray!!
what a fantastic idea!! keep the scum and peasants in old rubbish cars like fords and renaults in the slow lanes and let us rich people in mercs and bentleys to cruise unhinderd down our own lane! and bring back fox hunting hooray!!
Posted by: sue, Southampton on 1:36pm Thu 17 Jul 08
So what DO we pay car tax for !!!!!!!!!!!!!
So what DO we pay car tax for !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: bollockstothemall, Hostel for down & outs on 1:40pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Here's a good one......... Just have all your money/salary paid to the government then you can just ask them for some pocket money or go and live under the arches. Thieving B'stards. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. When are we going to stick up for ourselves?
Here's a good one......... Just have all your money/salary paid to the government then you can just ask them for some pocket money or go and live under the arches. Thieving B'stards. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. When are we going to stick up for ourselves?
Posted by: The Watchman, The Ether on 2:02pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Iain[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Christoff[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]motorist[/bold] wrote: Most major USA cities designate one lane of their urban freeways as a HOV ( High Occupancy Vehicle) lane. Only vehicles containing two or more people can use the HOV lane. In rush hour traffic motorists using HOV lanes whizz past slow-crawling traffic, at legal speeds of 65mph. HOV lane use is free. It simply encourages car sharing during busy car commutes.[/quote] that actually sounds like a good idea[/quote] ...until yet more police are diverted from their jobs to count car occupants instead...[/quote] I hate to say it but this might actually be a good time to use cameras
Iain wrote:
Christoff wrote:
motorist wrote: Most major USA cities designate one lane of their urban freeways as a HOV ( High Occupancy Vehicle) lane. Only vehicles containing two or more people can use the HOV lane. In rush hour traffic motorists using HOV lanes whizz past slow-crawling traffic, at legal speeds of 65mph. HOV lane use is free. It simply encourages car sharing during busy car commutes.
that actually sounds like a good idea
...until yet more police are diverted from their jobs to count car occupants instead...
I hate to say it but this might actually be a good time to use cameras
Posted by: Family Man, Bitterne on 2:54pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Really Fed Up[/bold] wrote:
I live in Southampton. Because I work in the Telecoms industry most Telecom companies are based in Basingstoke or Farnborough. I have no choice to commute and before anyone tree hugging Labour loving idiot suggest I move, my salary wouldn't get me a mortgage on a one bedroom appartment, PLUS its cheaper and quicker to use my car than the buses and trains. So how does having a lane that most peole will bouycot reduce congestion?? It wont it will only increase it as everyone will be crammed into the remaining lanes.....add in the middle lane drivers who just wont move into the left lane then this really is the most moronic idea that LABOUR have come up with to ease congestion. One question I'd like to as to Ruth Kelly......what the hell are you doing in your cabinet meetings? Has she not heard about the finiancial difficulties that most house holds are experienecing....... and her solution to help us all is to place a £5 a day tax on the M27 & M3. Genius. Ruth Kelly for Prime Minister.[/quote] Yes, but what you don't mention is that Ruth Kelly would use the fast lane, and reclaim the toll as expenses, which incidentally, you and me as taxpayers, fund! Whereas us poor bloody workers will be too broke to use it!
I would also mention that the only reason that the toll motorway in the midlands was sufficiently used was when the "normal" motorway was being repaired causing traffic congestion and delays, now it is running properly, the pay motorway is not paying its way!
Really Fed Up wrote:
I live in Southampton. Because I work in the Telecoms industry most Telecom companies are based in Basingstoke or Farnborough. I have no choice to commute and before anyone tree hugging Labour loving idiot suggest I move, my salary wouldn't get me a mortgage on a one bedroom appartment, PLUS its cheaper and quicker to use my car than the buses and trains. So how does having a lane that most peole will bouycot reduce congestion?? It wont it will only increase it as everyone will be crammed into the remaining lanes.....add in the middle lane drivers who just wont move into the left lane then this really is the most moronic idea that LABOUR have come up with to ease congestion. One question I'd like to as to Ruth Kelly......what the hell are you doing in your cabinet meetings? Has she not heard about the finiancial difficulties that most house holds are experienecing....... and her solution to help us all is to place a £5 a day tax on the M27 & M3. Genius. Ruth Kelly for Prime Minister.
Yes, but what you don't mention is that Ruth Kelly would use the fast lane, and reclaim the toll as expenses, which incidentally, you and me as taxpayers, fund! Whereas us poor bloody workers will be too broke to use it!
I would also mention that the only reason that the toll motorway in the midlands was sufficiently used was when the "normal" motorway was being repaired causing traffic congestion and delays, now it is running properly, the pay motorway is not paying its way!
Posted by: George on 2:57pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]mr loaded[/bold] wrote:
what a fantastic idea!! keep the scum and peasants in old rubbish cars like fords and renaults in the slow lanes and let us rich people in mercs and bentleys to cruise unhinderd down our own lane! and bring back fox hunting hooray!![/quote] "old rubbish cars like Fords and Renaults"? Have Ford and Renault stopped making cars, then?
mr loaded wrote:
what a fantastic idea!! keep the scum and peasants in old rubbish cars like fords and renaults in the slow lanes and let us rich people in mercs and bentleys to cruise unhinderd down our own lane! and bring back fox hunting hooray!!
"old rubbish cars like Fords and Renaults"? Have Ford and Renault stopped making cars, then?
Posted by: southampton resident on 3:48pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Disgraceful!
I agree that we boycott this lane from day 1. If the government wishes to hit more road users i suggest they make cyclists pay a road tax of some description. These two wheeled menaces have had things easy for far too long.
Disgraceful!
I agree that we boycott this lane from day 1. If the government wishes to hit more road users i suggest they make cyclists pay a road tax of some description. These two wheeled menaces have had things easy for far too long.
Posted by: Bambi on 4:00pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]southampton resident[/bold] wrote:
Disgraceful!
I agree that we boycott this lane from day 1. If the government wishes to hit more road users i suggest they make cyclists pay a road tax of some description. These two wheeled menaces have had things easy for far too long.[/quote] In the current ecological climate, nobody's going to do anything to [italic]discourage[/italic] cyclists
southampton resident wrote:
Disgraceful!
I agree that we boycott this lane from day 1. If the government wishes to hit more road users i suggest they make cyclists pay a road tax of some description. These two wheeled menaces have had things easy for far too long.
In the current ecological climate, nobody's going to do anything to
discourage cyclists
Posted by: Stuart, Work on 4:03pm Thu 17 Jul 08
This is just a typical Labour stealth tax, just like everything else drivers get taxed on by the government. I once heard a few years back that the government make £100 million a day on petrol alone, and that was back in the day when petrol was 70-80p a litre, I think it's doubled since then in the last few months. Where does all this money go I like to know, as taxing drivers through different methods is just outragerous. There is just no way I will be paying for a toll road, and I refuse to even pay by the mile, if it ever comes into effect, as I have to commute to basingstoke from southampton 5 days a week. Gordon Brown and the labour government are just a bunch of money hungry F**kers!!!! Can't wait till they all get voted out in the next General Election!!!
This is just a typical Labour stealth tax, just like everything else drivers get taxed on by the government. I once heard a few years back that the government make £100 million a day on petrol alone, and that was back in the day when petrol was 70-80p a litre, I think it's doubled since then in the last few months. Where does all this money go I like to know, as taxing drivers through different methods is just outragerous. There is just no way I will be paying for a toll road, and I refuse to even pay by the mile, if it ever comes into effect, as I have to commute to basingstoke from southampton 5 days a week. Gordon Brown and the labour government are just a bunch of money hungry F**kers!!!! Can't wait till they all get voted out in the next General Election!!!
Posted by: southy, redbridge on 4:52pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Stuart[/bold] wrote:
This is just a typical Labour stealth tax, just like everything else drivers get taxed on by the government. I once heard a few years back that the government make £100 million a day on petrol alone, and that was back in the day when petrol was 70-80p a litre, I think it\'s doubled since then in the last few months. Where does all this money go I like to know, as taxing drivers through different methods is just outragerous. There is just no way I will be paying for a toll road, and I refuse to even pay by the mile, if it ever comes into effect, as I have to commute to basingstoke from southampton 5 days a week. Gordon Brown and the labour government are just a bunch of money hungry F**kers!!!! Can\'t wait till they all get voted out in the next General Election!!![/quote] do you think it will be any diffrent under a tory goverment.you end up paying more tax,what is needed is a new party or put in the libs for one term just so they get the message
Stuart wrote:
This is just a typical Labour stealth tax, just like everything else drivers get taxed on by the government. I once heard a few years back that the government make £100 million a day on petrol alone, and that was back in the day when petrol was 70-80p a litre, I think it\'s doubled since then in the last few months. Where does all this money go I like to know, as taxing drivers through different methods is just outragerous. There is just no way I will be paying for a toll road, and I refuse to even pay by the mile, if it ever comes into effect, as I have to commute to basingstoke from southampton 5 days a week. Gordon Brown and the labour government are just a bunch of money hungry F**kers!!!! Can\'t wait till they all get voted out in the next General Election!!!
do you think it will be any diffrent under a tory goverment.you end up paying more tax,what is needed is a new party or put in the libs for one term just so they get the message
Posted by: John, dorset on 5:49pm Thu 17 Jul 08
They should have built the Channel Tunnel 90 degrees to the right and made it 3000 miles long to America instead of 21 miles to France. Then there would be no need for Gordon Brown because "Bush" could be in charge of this country as well. It seems the goverment follows the USA so we might as well be governed by them. It would save a lot of MP wages and allowances[quote]quote[/quote] [quote]quote[/quote]
They should have built the Channel Tunnel 90 degrees to the right and made it 3000 miles long to America instead of 21 miles to France. Then there would be no need for Gordon Brown because "Bush" could be in charge of this country as well. It seems the goverment follows the USA so we might as well be governed by them. It would save a lot of MP wages and allowances
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Posted by: George, The White House on 8:59pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
They should have built the Channel Tunnel 90 degrees to the right and made it 3000 miles long to America instead of 21 miles to France. Then there would be no need for Gordon Brown because "Bush" could be in charge of this country as well. It seems the goverment follows the USA so we might as well be governed by them. It would save a lot of MP wages and allowances[quote]quote[/quote] [quote]quote[/quote] [/quote] Good idea!
John wrote:
They should have built the Channel Tunnel 90 degrees to the right and made it 3000 miles long to America instead of 21 miles to France. Then there would be no need for Gordon Brown because "Bush" could be in charge of this country as well. It seems the goverment follows the USA so we might as well be governed by them. It would save a lot of MP wages and allowancesquote
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Good idea!
Posted by: revolt, southampton on 10:37pm Thu 17 Jul 08
i've got an idea to sort out the souths congestion problem bulldozz the ikea site in southampton and bugger it off somewere else.
As for the yanks and the frogs there road networks are far more superior than ours and its always free flowing not like the garbage we have to put up with and we pay more tax from our earnings than them, this government can go swivel
i've got an idea to sort out the souths congestion problem bulldozz the ikea site in southampton and bugger it off somewere else.
As for the yanks and the frogs there road networks are far more superior than ours and its always free flowing not like the garbage we have to put up with and we pay more tax from our earnings than them, this government can go swivel
Posted by: Fred on 11:36pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Iain[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Christoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]motorist[/bold] wrote: Most major USA cities designate one lane of their urban freeways as a HOV ( High Occupancy Vehicle) lane. Only vehicles containing two or more people can use the HOV lane. In rush hour traffic motorists using HOV lanes whizz past slow-crawling traffic, at legal speeds of 65mph. HOV lane use is free. It simply encourages car sharing during busy car commutes.[/quote] that actually sounds like a good idea[/quote] ...until yet more police are diverted from their jobs to count car occupants instead...[/quote] There are people in the US who purchase "blow-up" passengers to use the HOV lane.
Or you could do what Larry David did in Curb - pick up a hooker as a passenger.
Iain wrote:
Christoff wrote: motorist wrote: Most major USA cities designate one lane of their urban freeways as a HOV ( High Occupancy Vehicle) lane. Only vehicles containing two or more people can use the HOV lane. In rush hour traffic motorists using HOV lanes whizz past slow-crawling traffic, at legal speeds of 65mph. HOV lane use is free. It simply encourages car sharing during busy car commutes.
that actually sounds like a good idea
...until yet more police are diverted from their jobs to count car occupants instead...
There are people in the US who purchase "blow-up" passengers to use the HOV lane.
Or you could do what Larry David did in Curb - pick up a hooker as a passenger.
Posted by: Jonathan, Southampton on 7:21pm Fri 18 Jul 08
I am willing to bet that this won't happen in the next 15 years, it's such a head-in-the-clouds rumour.
I am willing to bet that this won't happen in the next 15 years, it's such a head-in-the-clouds rumour.
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